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<0> hi to all,
<1> yargh that damn quiet kernel parameter must be removed too
<2> yep, bits of carrot.. as i suspected
<3> don't forget the human remains
<2> oh, that'll be what those eyeball-shaped bits of carrot are
<3> nah that's whatever sasquatch ate before he was killed
<1> excuse me :)
<1> thanks, sneezes and blows his nose in libolts clothes
<3> you're welcome, I borrowed those from some dude's grave
<1> aah, so thats why you do in your spare time ? :>
<1> poor corpses
<3> yup they provide plenty of apparel
<1> oh well, that spares the goats I'd say :)
<3> yeah goat skin never gets the chicks
<1> I was refering to necrophilia :)
<3> I know :)
<1> sick bastard :P
<3> What? I'm not the one talking about ****ing dead people :)
<1> ok
<4> Any way to tell how fragmented a drive is? 'echo "2%"' is pretty accurate, I guess, but is there a real way?
<2> hah!
<2> hahaha
<2> damn, that laugh went in the wrong window
<2> but i stand by it
<4> :P
<2> Demonen: http://davtools.sourceforge.net/
<4> thanks!
<5> Evening all
<5> damn ... pretty much dead here tonight.
<6> lol
<6> I'm here, just waiting for bits of my system to update
<5> lol
<7> im also here,
<5> Hmmm ... slowly the channel stirs ... awakened from it's slumber.
<8> we should take who is lazying and put him to work, so we all we'll have free time :oP
<8> s/we'll/will/
<5> Nah. I'm more for electroshock therapy :)
<8> should we select 380V?
<5> *shrugs* ... the amperage is what's more fun :)
<8> 10A is quite fry-ish
<6> owww. You can KILL a man with just 10ma
<6> err, mA
<9> nooneelse: ish? you are way in the deadzone ;)
<8> deadish :oP
<8> Viking667: 1A is more real
<5> There's plenty more people iin the world ...
<6> I brushed my hand against a heatsink the other day - damn thing is at 125V above ground.
<6> nooneelse: across the heart muscle?? That needs very VERY little.
<5> Viking667: I had the back of a monitor decide to discharge some electricity into me at my last job
<10> who is good in tcng?
<8> Viking667: too short playing then... I prefer to tie hands with nude copper ;o)
<5> took a day or so for me to finally come right... wandering about in a daze otherwise
<8> waznz: you should ve tried to hook you up to a cable modem ;o)
<6> waznz: lol.
<5> nooneelse: Sounds tempting ... maybe once I finish paying for selling my soul ...
<6> I've had a static discharge across me.... wasn't a nice experience. 25kV or so.
<5> Viking667: I get that off my car a lot. pita.
<10> i have a pppoe-server running and i wanna traffic shape per IP. and there are many ppp devices that will be generated.. does that mean i have to stick to the ethN device? i am using tcng and i am also using transaparent proxy configurations. what will that change in my tcng code?
<8> waznz: i can give you a 100mbit if you got that fetish :oP
<5> nooneelse: here in .nz? Hot damn ... where do I sign up?
<8> waznz: na na, you should do 10hours of airplane to let me hook ya up to that line :oP
<5> Damn ... that means the latency will be a little high.
<8> waznz: just dont let my router die of amperage, you gotta choose between connectionhooking and amperageshock
<11> why must I wake up at 5am for no reason
<8> Ritalin-: try issuing "halt -p" to your neurons ;o)
<11> no, that's not going to work... already disconnected
<8> Ritalin: got hotplug neurons? or simple rs232?
<8> Ritalin: if you got hotplug neurons, try with a flameshooter on your head, so you check if it's really hot-plug ;o))
<12> noonelse: i borrow someone elses and have to use a acoustically coupled 2400 baud modem to use them
<13> would you recommend enabling selinux?
<5> Ritalin: Whiskey :)
<8> Ritalin: check to connect well mic and speaker, we dont wanna hear your neurons communicating ;o)
<5> D000Rkey: In appropriate situations, yes.
<8> D000Rkey: i've been working on/for it, I m not good to answer this question :oP
<8> anyway, I ended up almost avoiding linux for my serving activities
<8> it's getting a too anarchic system
<13> waznz what are those
<13> waznz what are those "appropriate situations" for instance
<5> D000Rkey: *shrugs* ... I tend to steer away from situations were it would be appropriate - although I would tend to suggest that anywhere where you can't trust the (l)users accessing said system, or can't trust the data flowing through them
<8> D000Rkey: if you're serving and you dont trust (you should never trust) your servers/daemons/foreverruninng apps, then you should really consider using it
<8> waznz: how is bandwidth in nz ?
<13> im running httpd and selinux is a pita almost all the time
<5> nooneelse: expensive, depending of course where you're sourcing it from
<8> waznz: i m running some server on 100mbit, how much would it cost, unmanaged, with around 8ips and with managed hardware?
<5> nooneelse: where are you?
<8> D000Rkey: i m paranoic by rule of thumb, I always harden
<8> waznz: actually in Italy
<5> managed hardware? no sure managed - but my last job had co-located servers - full rack for NZ$ 1000/mnth + $20/mnth for 20 G traffic (or there abouts, anyhow)
<5> Managed - probably $500 /mnth for single server from iserve(?) I think
<8> waznz: i got much of my needing at sitook.com, wont give you a good web frontend, but mailing admin@ you can request a price for what you need, a hosting is around 5-8eur/month with db and (if you wish) a separated apache process and filesystem
<9> one of these days I'm gonna need hosting, and it's not gonna be pretty..
<9> I have yet to see a single hositng provider that can spell Java properly
<8> waznz: even askable to obtain a jail or whatever, and dns handling is done via web, sub domains are possibily forwarded to your own ns if you got any, otherwise, web handling is possible
<2> wlfshmn: how do they spell it?
<8> wlfshmn: i have to say, they're good techies, dunno if they understand about java
<5> Cynic: "php" :)
<2> international bandwidth is *freaking* expensive in .nz, i could quote some figures but that might get me in trouble
<2> lots, anyway
<9> waznz: pretty much, yeah ;)
<5> nooneelse: why are you looking at .nz?
<2> waznz: *slap*
<9> Cynic: so hosting stuff abroad under a .nz domain sounds saner I suppose
<2> waznz: it has its place.
<8> waznz: well, before settling myself down, I ve seen in whole the world, and stayd 1 year or few less with a ****ing company, now that I found a good one, I'll never change :oP
<2> wlfshmn: it's what a lot of larger companies do, unless most of their traffic will be domestic
<9> waznz: I don't disslike PHP as much these days as I used to. The further it grows apart from perl, the happier I become ;)
<5> wlfshmn: it's hard to compete against bulk us hosting ... especially with the cost of international bandwidth
<14> wlfshmn: Bah, perl is okay.
<9> Cynic: or even then, balancing two sites with some sort of geoIP ot mitigate the costs could work
<9> Evii: I know it is, I just don't like it ;)
<2> wlfshmn: yeah, i wouldn't be surprised if that happens too
<5> wlfshmn: I think I *should* learn perl ... but then I get by without it so far, so haven't invested the time learning it. Yet.
<9> I've written the odd perl script, but I don't -know- perl.
<8> wlfshmn: it happens ;o)
<2> i confess that my perl has mainly been for sysadmin tasks, i'm only just starting to explore mod_perl and CGI properly now
<2> and i've written a bit of php code, but i find it horrible
<8> waznz: anyway, I had a commercial contact in .au and even checked there for housing and so... bad prices and bad techies
<2> nooneelse: trust me, nz will be worse
<5> Cynic: no doubt.
<8> heh, so I'll sit down where i am with hosting, vs and so
<2> nooneelse: the bandwidth alone will kill you. think about it, we're a tiny island miles from anywhere that relies on a few huge pipes to get anywhere, and the owners of said pipes can charge what they like
<14> wlfshmn: Recently, i've been using perl quite a bit. It's just very dangerous to write things in. You end up, if you're not careful, writing the arcanely slow, unreadable, unmaintainable, mess.
<8> Cynic: with this ISP, well they told me clearly I could go up to 200-300Gb if I wanted, even if the formal limit is 50Gb per month, just, if more customers come, they'll tight it
<2> Evii: sshshh.. that arcane, unmaintainable mess is how we keep people away from our secret magical language!
<6> lol. Sounds like radiobar or rfcshow
<14> Cynic: haha.
<2> nooneelse: well, i'm just warning you. if most large .nz sites end up being hosted overseas, there must be a pretty good reason for that ;) and i would say that your average techie is less skilled than a .us or .eu equivalent
<8> 200-300Gb/month is a llot and even 50 is
<2> s/techie/nz techie/
<8> Cynic: anyway, I settle down there, even pointed dns, emails, guess it would be hard to move now, but I love to ask around the same
<8> oh, even got antispam and antivirused mail for free with FreeBSD VS
<2> in any case, the company i work for offers dns/web hosting and telehousing so i should probably stop bashing my own industry
<14> Hmm. Smoke/coffee break time.
<8> Cynic: come on, paint it less ugly ;o)
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