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<0> piddle: network storage?
<1> no, a gateway and a server
<2> I'd love to hear what it is that you think you're going to be doing with this "quiet server".
<0> I mean you are booting of a network drive?
<1> boot the usp pen drive.
<1> usb
<2> pidde: Well?
<1> hmm have tryed some dos discs with usb drivers, hmm but no luck
<1> found it :) http://rz-obrian.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/knoppix-usb/ , I think
<2> I love how cluebies insist on solving the wrong problem.
<1> why are you as holes !
<2> pidde: So, what will you be doing with this "quiet server"?
<1> home server, my girlfriend thinks it is to noisy :) whith hardrives and cdrom
<2> <sigh> I suppose we get to beat out of you the details of what you think "home server" is supposed to mean.
<2> Since obviously you're too stupid to actually tell someone when you're asked.
<1> hmm , for webpages, storage, databas, music ... why is that of your consern ?
<3> off a usb drive?
<3> heh.
<3> oh you kids.
<1> yes
<3> it is to laugh.
<4> D-side!
<5> And when I die, I expect to find him laughing.
<3> schitzo.
<6> database on a flash unit, seems like the perfect way to wear it out fast
<1> whay not ?
<4> D-side: you coming over to Grand Rapids area this weekend?
<3> pidde: its a simple reason.
<3> pidde: How Things Work, and inversely How Things Do Not Work.
<3> guess which one you've chosen
<3> schitzo: I've got no such plans.
<3> schitzo: why, whats going on?
<4> D-side: you **** then
<4> D-side: Racing at Grattan Raceway. Saturday is the endurance. Sunday is the sprints
<4> D-side: I fly in Thursday night. out Monday
<3> ah, good luck.
<5> pidde: Flash drives are not designed to be written to in the traditional read-write sense of the world. Much like using a QIC-80 tape as swap, you'll soon find out that not only will it keep you up at night, but it will also destroy itself in a breif timeframe.
<3> or are you not actually participating
<4> D-side: I'm sprint racing on Sunday.
<4> D-side: My dad is hauling my stuff up there.
<3> then again, good luck.
<3> ah, okay thats why i was confused. gotcha.
<3> will he be taking video?
<4> D-side: no, but you can if you bring a video camera. :)
<5> One time I tried to mkfs.ext2 on a QIC-80 tape. I turned it off after a week of constant rewinding and fast forwarding.
<4> CancerMan: HAH
<2> pidde: Storage? You're joking, right? Storage of what, with no writeable space other than the flash drive?
<1> I have hadrives to, but they ar in standby mode
<7> There's only one way to boot from flash, and that is to get to a ramdisk asap
<6> pidde: I seem to remember some company making a PCI card which supported battery backed up DDR2 RAM, which emulated a SATA drive for the rest of the system
<5> piddie: Is the point here to use as little power as possible?
<6> that might actually make your idea fly, if you have money for enough DDR2 modules
<5> By the way... I'm about to order businuess cards... What should I put on them as my title?
<6> supreme ruler of the universe?
<6> or perhaps root@universe
<1> ok , give me a better ide, totaly quiet server, cheap , about 2 Gb. hmm, tested the ide an having a system on a usb pen.
<6> pidde: that SATA emulator card and 2 GB of DDR2 memory sticks
<5> My technical title is "Scientific Research Technologist", which defines that I could be doing anything from testing the absortion of neutrons into flesh, or poking bears in the *** with a hypodermid needle.
<6> cheap might be a matter of definition though:)
<5> Why does this server need to be 100% quiet?
<6> pidde: alternatively newer harddrives can be really quiert
<1> hehe , smal aparment
<8> pidde: Samsung and Seagate (probably among others) make hard drives that produce virtually no sound. The power supply fan would be louder than the hard drives.
<4> if your **** is in your girlfriends mouth like it should be then she can't complain about a noisy server.
<9> schitzo: ++
<5> Also, how long to you require the machine to run before a critical media failure?
<1> haha
<1> a year
<1> :)
<5> Ok. Flash won't last that long as the page file.
<1> hmm ok.
<5> Let me think about this... you tend to get 10,000 writes in a block before it becomes fubar... anyone know how often a reasonable system will punch some info to the swap device?
<7> CancerMan: That's why you run those things without swap
<5> True.
<6> CancerMan: he could just run the system without a swap device
<5> Well... Ok..
<6> although I'm guessing a Database system might trigger much the same
<5> *nod* And the initrd idea is definately do-able, however I don't know how you'd store the info at the end.
<7> Stuff it on jffs2
<5> Perhaps some large cp jobs on boot and shutdown.
<6> PolarWolf: Im not sure jffs2 is good for 2GB volumes
<7> CancerMan: Untar a root filesystem into a ramdisk and pivot_root to it
<7> CancerMan: Done it before
<7> Gathond: I don't know if there are filesystem size limits for jffs2
<5> PW: Right... But do we just re-tar at the end?
<7> Or just use a 4GB microdrive
<5> *nod*
<7> CancerMan: Nah, store anything non-volatile back to the flash
<5> Hitachi makes a 6GiB unit.
<7> CancerMan: ****s for databases though, bad idea
<6> PolarWolf: from my work using eCos I have doubts that it scales that far before degrading into nothingness
<5> Perhaps he should just co-loc.
<7> Gathond: Very possible. I'm used to 32MB filesystems with jffs2, not GB sized ones
<6> PolarWolf: that memory backed SATA emulater is my best bet, although that probably neglects the cheap bit
<7> Gathond: Yeah
<5> *nod* And would probably cause the power supply to **** a brick.
<6> CancerMan: should DDR2 Ram use that much power?
<5> Well... I'm not familliar with DDR2's properties enough to know. :/
<6> I would not have worried about that at all
<5> However, it generates m***ive ammounts of heat, right? Does it still require a refresh strobe? Does the battery backing get recharged while the machine is on?
<6> well since its battery backed by a batery they charge from the machine while running I doubt it uses that much, at least in the inactive periods
<6> since I think that would make the battery prohibitively large
<5> True. Or make it very breif in it's offline storage duration.
<6> http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Storage/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2180&ProductName=GC-RAMDISK
<6> 1600mAH
<6> and typically no mention of how long that will keep the data there :(
<6> well I suppose DDR2 memory wont use as mush with just the minimal refresh strobes as they do during operation though
<5> *nod*
<6> If it wasn't for the fact my mini-itx board only has one PCI slot I might seriously consider getting one
<5> Gathond: Why not use a riser board?
<6> CancerMan: would require messing around with a new case, or cutting in the existing (the one slot is currently the home of a NIC)
<5> *nod*
<6> and that whole case modding thing is not really something I'm into:)
<5> Me neither.
<6> although the idea of a 4 GB silent cache/scratchpad appeals to me
<10> at taco bell...mmmm
<5> Well... I say that, and I've done some pretty screwed up stuff.
<5> ...I've mounted a 9" CRT with 12V driver board into a mini-tower case.
<5> ...I've mounted a pair of lead acid batteries in an XT power supply, along with a small switching supply to run the machine.
<6> hehe
<5> ...Simmilar power supply, but with a homemade soft on-off that would power on when the ignition key was turned, and would start the shutdown process when the ignition key was turned off.
<10> I want to mount a Ups into/onto a case...talk about portability :p
<5> Teakk: Heh. Oxygen was basically that. And it weighed a freaking ton.
<6> Teakk: talk about getting a bad back from carrying it
<5> Especially in the one corner.
<10> heheh, true that
<6> or more likely, dragging
<10> its ****in noisey in this taco bell
<5> However, it was a prototype for my car computer... which turned out reasonably well. The vibration damping for the hard drive was completely non-functional though.
<5> And I say I don't like modding, however I want to mount a 220V turbine fan I pulled from a Sun SparcSystem 690MP into my Dell.
<5> ...with the jet turbine/propeller spiral on it... Oh yeah.
<5> I think this was Martin Gore's way of telling his girlfriend to lay back and shut her mouth.
<11> CancerMan: Did you build a car computer? I'm thinking of one for my bike.
<12> ...
<12> This is one of those times when I'm really not sure I want to know what kind of conversation led up to that comment...
<13> pterry quote, sorta
<13> * ksh ponders the meaning of cocking a scatty blaster
<12> lol
<12> hmmm
<14> Well, it certainly doesn't sound very nice
<12> It sounds really, really dirty.
<14> Yes, it does
<15> yeah, I'd worry about the scatty blaster.
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