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<0> jlgaddis: Have they fixed all the memory leaks in Office 2k7 yet?
<1> NineVolt: I managed to do it at $work. =)
<2> that same hardware wouldn't even be able to -run- vista, let alone serve anything.
<1> You can get by on pretty modest hardware if you disable all the eye candy ****.
<3> well Windows Vista is not light at all
<3> hehe
<2> even if i had top of the line hardware, i'd -still- stay with a minimalism obsd setup.
<2> because i'm not paying money for eyecandy :P
<3> better off with linux
<0> jlgaddis: I couldnt stand working with Office 2k7 for that ****, when I beta testing it
<2> if you want eyecandy, go with osx.
<3> Os X is a great OS
<2> heh
<2> no it's not.
<3> in my opinion
<0> and I HAVE a gig of ram.
<2> i've never really used it much, but i still say it's too flashy :P
<4> syn-ack, just a gig?
<5> dunno how good it works underneath.
<4> c'mon, this is 2007.
<2> i'm trying to use a computer, not watch special effects.
<4> Viking667, it doesn't work very well underneath, period.
<4> its Mach, and paging in Mach ****s.
<5> *sigh*
<0> smooth_: So far. its not like I have money coming out of my ***
<3> anyway I believe my Enlightenment visual settings looked very much more better than anything I've seen before.. even in movies lol
<4> its remarkable how similar OS X and NeXTSTEP are.
<4> I wouldn't quite call them a 1:1 copy.
<0> smooth_: I have a gig of DDR2 4300 SoDIMM and a 100 Gig 5200 RPM HDD
<0> smooth_: Stop it. Even apple says thats where they got the code for OS X
<0> smooth_: If you want to try to troll at least make it interesting.
<6> ph-: we don't care
<4> syn-ack, you'd be surprised how many OS X users think they're using something innovative.
<4> and thus, aren't aware of OS X's heritage.
<0> smooth_: Ah, but it is innovative, Troll elsewhere
<6> what does heritage have to do with innovation? it helps, its not an important factor though.
<4> Lion-O, the converse of that statement is important.
<4> its not very innovative if its already been down.
<6> smooth_: not really.
<4> s/down/done/
<6> rofl
<0> smooth_: Silence.
<6> filesharing has been done before, yet bittorrent was innovating.. As syn-ack said; troll elsewhere.
<5> I've yet to "see" a real NeXT system working, so I don't know what NeXTStep was all about.
<4> Viking667, name an arbitrary feature in OS X, and NeXTSTEP had it.
<4> the Dock, Services, etc.
<4> they even bothered to rip off Netinfo and use it again.
<0> Viking667: its baiscally just like AfterSTEP running on oBSD
<5> lol.
<0> Viking667: and thats just being frank.
<4> the only thing Apple really bothered with changing was Display Postscript, and that's because they didn't want to fork out the cash to relicense it from Adobe.
<4> so they went with a psuedo-Display PDF sort of thing.
<5> wheee.
<4> Display Postscript's licensing fee was one of the things that contributed most to the price of NeXTSTEP
<0> smooth_: Do us all a favor and Shut The **** Up. Now preferably.
<5> smooth_: I'm sorry? I wasn't aware that the NeXT ever used Display PS.
<0> iirc, they did
<4> Viking667, that's what caused all of the UNIX vendors to jump on the Display PS bandwagon.
<5> I know the Apple did in MacOS, but I've never heard of its use in NeXTStep
<4> (Sun, IBM, etc.)
<5> ohh...
<5> so that's why...
<4> all had DPS plugins for their X11 servers.
<0> smooth_: Its not the fact that PS is one of the most portable lanuges out there?...
<5> I've got the manual on DPS, but from Adobe. I never thought I was going to need it.
<5> syn-ack: not THAT portable... <grin>
<0> Viking667: well, it was supposed to be when it was in PARC... :p
<4> syn-ack, its a specification. If you implement it properly, a given document is guaranteed to be displayed identically between two implementations.
<5> syn-ack: err, that was ... how many years ago now?
<0> Viking667: Exactly. :p
<5> smooth_: besides which, how many vendors EVER manage 100% compliance with the specification?
<0> PS is still nice when it comes to Network printing and such.
<5> Quite often, real-world stuff steps in the way, and ya need to rewire/rewrite/whatever
<4> well, DPS isn't exactly Postscript.
<7> Viking667: usually not even the vendor who wrote the spec. ;)
<5> lol.
<0> hah
<5> smooth_: true.
<4> its a subset and a superset of Postscript (they changed some features, killed some, and added new functionality) for interactive PS.
<4> Adobe then licensed it to NeXT, Sun, IBM, etc.
<4> Xsun (Sun's X11 server) still has the DPS module.
<4> IBM got rid of their's years ago.
<5> I haven't managed to get Xsun working here, because I don't know how to set the blinking thing up on an Intel machine.
<5> (Celeron Coppermine, Radeon 7000)
<4> you shouldn't be using Xsun on x86.
<4> Xorg is much better.
<5> I'm using it anyhow.
<4> Xvideo and many other XFree86 modules were never ported to Xsun.
<5> ... though I had a small battle to get it working. Now it's working. My only lack is audio.
<4> Xvideo gives you the ability to do hardware video scaling.
<4> very useful if you want to watch video.
<8> Im sure the viking knows this
<5> smooth_: though it doesn't always work here.
<5> on my screen, it gives me a pretty blue square, occasionally with bits in it.
<8> w00
<8> Viking667: if that is HD-res, its pretty neat :P
<8> ew
<4> well, I'm on SPARC, so I have no hope of having Xvideo support :-)
<4> the only way to do hardware video scaling is OpenGL.
<8> I cant believe I sold off my UltraSparcII
<4> not exactly ideal.
<0> Viking667: Why on earth did you get that card? *shudder*
<5> smooth_: by the way, a word to the wise... you HAVE to know your stuff 110% when coming in here. We're very unforgiving on that
<5> syn-ack: err, wasn't a card. Was the mobo.
<5> err, IS the mobo. K6-II, 533MHz
<4> Viking667, you'll get the same treatment in #solaris on Freenode.
<5> uhmmm.... yah. Saw that already.
<9> as you've probably already gotten on many occasions.
<5> delewis: true.
<10> hey all
<5> My problem with Solaris: I looked at a config file, it told me what document to look at. Fine. Except the damn document doesn't seem to exist at docs.sun.com.
<0> DaveHowe!
<5> 'llo DaveHowe
<9> docs.sun.com is funny occasionally.
<5> mmm.
<11> ack, syn-ack :)
<9> its been hilarious lately.
<9> check back at some arbitrary time of your choosing to see if the document is there.
<5> ... which makes me wonder, did the doc even exist?...
<9> what was the config file?
<5> Give me a moment...
<5> delewis: sbpro.conf, under /platform/i86pc/kernel/drv/
<6> Viking667: hmm, thats more driver related iirc. lessee
<6> no manpage
<5> Give me a minute, just skipping the GUI startup.
<0> I kinda miss manpages. :/
<12> linux would have been done by now :)
<5> Lion-O: I looked at man sbpro too, told me about params I could use, didn't tell me what format I was supposed to use... worked that out...
<6> Viking667: hmm, odd. No such manpage on my box.
<9> Viking667, you didn't install some 3rd party sound drivers did you?
<9> from say tools.de or the OSS drivers?
<6> ah, here we go
<5> I've tried that too...
<5> but still no juice.
<9> sound just works on my systems :-)
<9> then again, as stated previously I haven't invested in peecees.
<5> i have a OPL3-SAX here (ISA) and I even tried a SB Vibra16, no dice with either kernel drv or the OSS drv.
<12> apple is now a PC. so welcome to the club
<9> safemode, my one Apple is PowerPC, so I'm still excluded. :-)
<0> safemode: I still dont consdier it a PC
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