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<0> hell, technically I'm not allowed to change antennas on the radio if you go by the book
<1> wlfshmn: Hmm, hadn't heard of PMR before... just digging it up now
<0> Zymurgy: sorta like FRS
<1> *nod*
<1> so you use it for airsoft comms I take it
<0> Zymurgy: yupp
<0> Zymurgy: 0.5 is fine as long as you are in line of sight, but with a few extra trees in the way, and well, no luck
<0> Zymurgy: they recently opened a couple of the lower freq hunting bands though, so we will probably move down there during part of the year, whcih should make us able to stick to 0.5 for a bit longer distances
<2> In the Us there's GMRS, which is just like a hopped up FRS
<3> And over here, it's PRS (Public Radio Service) - seems to encomp*** what USED to be our HF CB band, and also covers the UHF (40 channels)
<3> hmm. Now why do I know THAT pink floyd line?
<2> ah, yeah CB is seperately allocated here, and VHF and UHF requires licensing
<2> out CB-band is 11-meter
<3> ahh. Wish You Were Here...
<0> Zymurgy: that covers four channels in the 155Mhz band. 27Mhz, 31Mhz and 68Mhz are also hunting bands here, but they are still licensed (and hunters with real guns use them in the same woods as us so....)
<3> TenBaseT_: ours isn't far off that...
<0> Zymurgy: it all becomes a mess, especially at large games..
<1> wlfshmn: yeah, you wouldn't want to bring an airsoft gun to a real gun fight :)
<0> Zymurgy: try coordinating 700 people with radios in a sqaure mile or two all trying to use a very limited range of frequencies ;)
<1> wlfshmn: no thanks :)
<0> Zymurgy: suddenly you find yourself carrying three radios or so to keep in touch with everyone you need to be able to keep in touch with..
<3> silly.
<0> Zymurgy: oh, and ofcourse, out of these 700. 680 lack any sort of radio experience, much less training ,)
<3> And there aren't any sets out there that can keep on top of two or more frequencies? Or are those all in the scanner cl***?
<4> I have a box with two hdd's
<4> I managed to switch it so that the empty one is the master
<4> Can I install Linux on this, and will it be my primary OS?
<1> wlfshmn: times like that you just feel like unloading a mag or two of ammo into some of them no doubt...
<0> Zymurgy: ;)
<5> Zym
<5> V667, re wlf
<0> Zymurgy: Thats one of the good things about airsoft.. who sais you can't du just that? ;)
<3> 'llo Nanuq
<3> Briana__: probably.
<0> Viking667: this radio of mine has three transmit bands, two of which are useable to me
<4> okay
<1> hola Nanuq
<6> is there any program for linux that will work like itunes (not to purchase ****, just to add stuff to my iPod)
<3> Briana__: you have to work out how to boot the other drive though.
<3> wlfshmn: good.
<7> wamtyy: could try gtkpod
<3> wamtyy: gtkpod
<0> Viking667: but then agian, I don't know what you consider a scanner. I can sure scan with it if I felt like it
<8> wamtyy: there is something out there that I found at one pointin time
<4> okay will probably eventually need a switch
<6> oh ok
<3> wlfshmn: a scanner starts at one freq, goes to another, and repeats the process until it finds live frequency.
<6> remember it?
<0> Viking667: yupp, ogt that
<2> a scanner is specifically made to do that.
<0> Viking667: form something lik 0.5Mhz to 1Ghz, minus some protected cell bands
<2> you give it 500 or so interesting frequencies
<2> and it rapidly automatically flips through them and stops whenever someone is actively transmitting
<5> TBT
<2> Nuq
<0> TenBaseT_: ah, that I don't do. I can scan through my preprogrammed list though..
<0> TenBaseT_: programming it is unpleasant though ;)
<2> sure, but a scanner flips at like 20 channels a second
<0> I certainly don't do that.. would need a much faster radio
<2> scanners are great
<2> I keep one programmed with all the police, fire, ambulance, and aviation bands
<4> what distro works best with wireless networking? I'm not necessarily looking for downright easy (I do like to finagle a bit) but just want to hear opinions.
<0> TenBaseT_: emergency services are all going digital encrypted here
<2> ours are digitally trunked.
<2> but it's not encrypted.
<0> 30km to the nearest significant airstrip
<2> 30KM is peanuts for aircraft radios
<2> think on that for a moment :D
<0> TenBaseT_: encrypted for privacy reasons, and the occational spammer
<2> you have people spamming trunk groups?
<0> TenBaseT_: yeah, I wasn't talking about the plane, -those- do flyins from closer I suspect
<2> I would be highly pissed if the police moved to an unmonitorable radio system
<4> fine then don't answer :P
<0> TenBaseT_: spamming the existing analog channels atleast. don't think they have anything that does the new radio network yet
<2> Are you sure there's a cryptosystem on the new radios? that would be highly irregular.
<2> key management is a pain in the *** for handheld radios
<0> TenBaseT_: I think there is, and I ***ume these are for squad cars
<2> like I said, key management is a big h***le for those kinds of systems
<2> and adversely impact reliability
<9> gotta make sure public servants are protected from being accountable to the public
<0> TenBaseT_: the network (which is tetra based) is used by EMS, Hospital, Defence forces, police, firedepartment, coast guard and customs
<2> I dont think the US will be implementing cryptokeys on civilian radios for liability reasons
<0> TenBaseT_: police currently can't say suspects names and addresses on the radio due to privacy laws
<2> it makes the radios rather fragile
<4> e
<2> Oh, our privacy laws dont say anything about that, but they do say you cannot repeat or use information you intercept over the radio
<2> it's largely unenforceable
<2> but it makes listening to the radio legal
<0> TenBaseT_: our say that too, and yeah, prove that ;)
<2> anyway, putting keys on radios makes them ****.
<2> you will have people die from it, I garauntee.
<0> *shrug*. It's not my headache
<2> it will be when your house is on fire and the fireman's radio isnt working :D
<0> I doubt the firebrigades radio is one that is encrypted
<0> I would ***ume it's used where there is a privacy or tactical angle to protect
<0> for the rest, it's as you said, a crapload of pointless adminsitration
<2> well, it's not just the pointless administration, its that it compromises the reliability and usability of the radio
<2> unless everyone has compatible keys loaded on their radios they cannot talk with each other except through unencrypted links
<2> the keys themselves must be stored solely in volatile ram
<2> and if that ram loses power due to moisture or vibration or shock, the key is gone
<2> so typically, everyone just uses them unencrypted.
<2> because no one knows how to even load keys on them
<2> Thats been my experience with them, at least.
<0> I don't know how they actually use it, jsut that everyone is complainig it's blodoy expensive ;)
<2> oh, it is that.
<2> In spades.
<0> seems they will switch to that system in this region mid-year this year
<0> and the last bits of the country somewher ein 2010
<2> what network did you say it was?
<10> Ahh, $home.
<8> jlgaddis: what's one of your public IP's?
<10> schitzo: Where at?
<8> jlgaddis: .edu stuff.
<10> schitzo: Why?
<8> jlgaddis: I want to reverse it up in our targeting stuff and see if it tells me you're in BFE
<0> TenBaseT_: It's TETRA based
<0> TenBaseT_: It's called RAKEL domestically, but that may be a project name or a specifi implementation
<10> 129.79.78.1
<11> :) hey
<0> TenBaseT_: Delivered by Nokia, isntalled and maintained by Saab Networks
<11> i wanna make a C program to tell me the shell IP. What function could I use ? :>
<8> jlgaddis: ok, well that proves that my code doesn't work in this new container
<4> what distro works best with wireless networking? I'm not necessarily looking for downright easy (I do like to finagle a bit) but just want to hear opinions.
<10> schitzo: Heh, why's that?
<8> jlgaddis: don't know.. getting ready to research it now.
<11> someone can help me ? :)
<2> haahhaah great, tetra is yet another incompatible digital trunking system
<2> That makes at least 5 on the market that I know about
<10> Shad0w: /sbin/ifconfig eth0|grep inet|awk -F : '{print $2}'|awk '{print $1}'
<10> Briana__: Ubuntu
<8> jlgaddis: ahhh, my bad cut-n-pasted with a space in front
<8> jlgaddis: bloomington, in with a T1?
<4> hmm now I've had a for and an against for ub untu!
<4> ubuntu
<10> schitzo: Bloomington, Indiana, yes. Not sure what you mean by "in with a T1"
<10> schitzo: There's much, much more linking that building to the Internet. =)
<8> jlgaddis: that's just what that IP reports. I think it pretty much means. non dialup or dsl
<6> do i have to re-compile the kernel to make ports above 23130 useable?
<10> wamtyy: Um, no.
<10> schitzo: Ahh, okay, cause "T1" is just slightly different from "40 Gbps to Indianapolis".
<0> jlgaddis: just a few orders of magnitude..
<10> =)
<12> tokes
<12> !rules
<12> !help
<12> whois
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