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<0> LOL
<1> Perhaps shift-f7 works
<0> fredforfaen: here's a good place to start: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/pfinder?query=Deskpro+4000&dest_page=product&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en
<2> CeruleanD: Can't they get done for discriminating against the disabled with that? :)
<3> Tamahome thanx
<4> algun soporte en espaol en linux 2005 limited edition
<5> No
<0> #linuxlatino
<4> tanks
<6> rhowe: lol, hey, armless people can always use their toes :-P
<7> hi, i'm having troubles installing a lkm on rh9
<7> http://pastebin.com/547613
<8> und: try a distribution which is actually being supported.
<9> does anyone have some ideas on what are typical / sane values from iostat?
<8> depends on too many issues.
<8> try thinking your question over before asking or continueing this.
<9> well i am thinking it over and am somewhat puzzled
<8> yeah sure, sure.
<9> what's going on (as you can guess) is that we have a server that's slow
<9> my hunch is: disk is overwhelmed
<9> so i whip out iostat to get some figures from it, and iostat tells me how many transactions per second, but what does that mean?
<8> and you concluded as much by looking at iostat while thining "gee, whats a common value for this?" without even thinking about the influence of hardware, caches, etc.
<8> get someone qualified to fix this.
<4> how i can install the shockwave,flashplayer, opera in linux.. how i descompres wath are the commands
<10> you're missing the word do
<8> redcomp: goto www.macromedia.com and grab a right player.
<9> well a typical server hardware configuration can handle a certain amount of disk io
<10> it's "how do i"
<8> LinuxUser: define "typical" ? there you go again.
<10> define hardware
<11> how do I kick a stupid user?
<11> see... the "do" is the key part
<12> is there some Xwindows/Web based administration program ?? check logs, turn off services, kill pids, etc ???
<9> ok, "typical" these days means (in my case) a amd x86_84, 1gb ram, two sata drives
<10> schitzo; i'm tempted to draw a cartoon he's pissing me off so much
<8> "server". Webserver, sql server, mailserver.... 3 differetn servers, 3 different...
<8> bah
<8> totally clueless
<8> CLUEBIES: get lost, goto #linuxhelp
<9> i'm not totally clueless
<8> you have 30 seconds to comply
<9> it's running web and mail... but regardless of what it is running,
<11> dude, what's an x86
<8> 84 bit
<11> er, x86_84... you got some bleedin' edge ****
<8> amazing
<9> i mean x86_64
<8> yeah, thinking things over.
<10> linuxUser: you should be able to max out the drives without maxing out the cpu. If you're maxing out the cpu then disk io isn't your problem. it's either a controller mode problem or software problem or simply not io bound enough
<11> safemode: heh
<9> regardless of what it's running, it has a certain max throughput on the disk
<9> right, the cpu is NOT maxing out
<10> then what is your problem?
<9> exactly, i'm trying to figure out "is this situation io bound or not"
<8> once again; get someone qualified
<13> Lion-O: do you ever sleep, or blink, your really keeping this room going..
<11> I'm pretty sure I'm glad I wasn't here for the start of this convo. I would have kicked someone by now wouldn't I?
<9> well, the cpu is not maxing, but that doesn't prove that it's io bound
<4> how i can install the mirc and setup in linux
<10> you shuold be doing like 50+MB/sec from a server with sata disks reading... writing is just slightly lower
<9> ok, that's the kind of info i am needing
<14> Lion-O++
<8> ./c vs. /xc
<11> hah
<9> about how many blocks per sec could a server like that do before it becomes io bound?
<14> Lion-O: this is time of day/behaviour i was complaining about a while ago
<10> depends on block size
<8> LinuxUser: depends on the HD's and the controllers
<8> jeez
<9> bottom line: here's what iostat is saying:
<10> all of your info is available to grep at your box ..and your box alone
<9> Device: tps Blk_read/s Blk_wrtn/s Blk_read Blk_wrtn
<9> sda 1.50 256.00 0.00 512 0
<11> let along filesystem and how it's configured
<15> how many ****in IRC clients do I have open?
<11> LinuxUser: don't paste **** in here
<9> ok, i will not paste **** here
<8> Cynic: I'm beginning to see what you mean, yeah.
<9> i'm just trying to learn something about what kind numbers are viable
<8> LinuxUser: hasn't it got to you that this isn't about mere numbers ?
<9> like if you said, "my car's engine is at 12,000 rpm" i wouldn't need to know much about your car to know, "your car is revving too fast"
<11> LinuxUser: bull****. A F1 motor can rev up to 16k
<9> right i understand... so where do i start to figure out if this thing is io bound or not?
<8> like I said; totally clueless
<14> LinuxUser: ok. your car is revving too fast.
<11> LinuxUser: so without going into all details that's a load of crap
<8> now shut up with that crap.
<8> as if all engines in the world can only do 12,000 rpm.
<11> I've got one motor that has a 9.5k redline another with a 14k redline and I think the truck is around 9k
<8> Cynic: bah
<14> my bike could do 12k, but... that's a bike ;)
<11> Cynic: well yeah, two of those are bikes. :)
<8> another beer and then its about bedtime for me. early meetings ****.. oh well.
<5> So, I fixed my heat
<5> Kind of
<11> reality_: no, it's not supposed to smoke like that
<5> schitzo: It smelled for awhile
<11> dust burning of?
<11> er, off?
<5> Something like that
<5> The heating coil in there is broken
<5> So, I had to twist it back together until it connected again
<5> It's putting out heat, that's all I care.
<16> i can get my printer to do *.jpg files, but not simple text
<17> who sang Sweet Child of Mine? Guns n Roses?
<16> or using xpp and cups
<6> yeah
<18> Steakk, yeah
<16> twilights sang "Sea of Love"
<11> Steakk: yeah
<18> bltzfsck, so you have it configured incorrectly.
<16> Ka-bar: that's what i figured
<16> Ka-bar: just not sure how...
<5> http://www.no-fatchicks.com/content/view/663/1/ hehe
<18> so fix it
<5> NSFW
<16> thanks kaber
<5> Ads at least...
<8> Steakk: yeah, but iirc it was a cover
<9> ok, thanks to those who called me clueless
<19> you're welcome
<18> LinuxUser, did I call you clueless?
<9> i did a quick test on my desktop machine of catting /dev/zero to a tmp file, and then catting that tmp file back to /dev/null
<9> no it was lion-o who was most vocal
<9> anyway, did that test and during the read, my plain old not-very-fast desktop machine could read 65265.67 blks/sec
<9> so clearly my server, when it is doing 250 blks per sec is not getting anywhere near its peak
<8> HA HA HA
<8> what a moroon
<9> someone could have told me "250 blks per sec is not very high"
<9> or some other information abuot how to interpret stuff
<14> LinuxUser: you ****
<18> LinuxUser, you're clueless
<8> LinuxUser: isn't that very high ?
<9> look, i'm trying to figure out what these numbers mean
<18> they don't mean a damned thing without some context attached to them...
<8> LinuxUser: look, how many times do we need to tell you that its not just about the numbers before you get it ?
<9> 65,000 is very high, obvously
<9> i get it, so what do i need to look at to start isolating the problem?
<8> LinuxUser: I guess as many times untill you get bored with trolling eh ?
<20> Hi, after a long search for MySQL problem, I can't know the solution of my problem... Anyway, I can't run MySQL, A mysqld process already exists
<20> , I try to access to my phpnuke and I can't
<9> cpu utilization looks fine
<8> LinuxUser: you get it my ***
<9> ok.. so i should just psychicaly know what the problem is?
<8> LinuxUser: why else do you start comparing "a desktop" machine with "your server (x84_64)" ?
<9> well, if my desktop can achieve a certain performance number, this server's hardware should be able to do at least as well
<8> gee, the server has ata disks, and the desktop machine has a huge cache.
<9> my desktop is a plain old 2ghz something that's 3 years old, only a fraction of the power of the server
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