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<0> Well, life is good
<0> work is just ok
<1> mm, often the case with me also
<2> Emerson, well there are clients that bought the server to set there only their domains and subdomains and to have it only for themselvs and they know the root p***word
<3> elderr: they dont need root for that crap
<1> elderr: basically, if you are the one responsible for management of the server and it's OS at the end of the day, you should be the only one with root
<2> well yes usualy they wouldn't need that but they pay and some ask for root p***word
<3> hey OM
<4> hi all
<1> hi MO
<1> err, OM
<4> Cynic
<4> Emerson
<2> Cynic, true but... can't be always how i want it
<4> boring topic
<1> elderr: you're not denying them root because of a trust issue, it's a competancy/liability issue
<1> well, that would be my line, anyway
<1> if they want total control of their server, then *you* shouldn't have the root p***word, and you can just leave them to manage it themselves
<4> some colo service?
<1> i think so, not really sure actually, i just kneejerked ;)
<0> If it's colo, give 'em root...it's their problem anyway...
<0> if it's managed, totally different story
<1> ksh: that would also be my preference
<1> i would try my darndest through T&C etc. to avoid situations with managed servers where i'm not in charge of access and auth
<1> (if i were server manager)
<0> some colo customers can be a real PITA, others can be dream customers...
<0> I did managed web hosting for 6 or 7 years...provided it's done right, you don't have to worry about access issues
<4> i've working in hosting too, and i do feel the hosting company needs root access to your server
<4> not exclusive root access though
<5> OldMonk: console == root
<0> If it's a managed service, the person(s) providing the service need root access and the customer does not
<2> Cynic, yes usually the users i trust or older users gather root p***
<5> this coming from one whose initial question was about editing a cron job
<1> elderr: see, that's not a strict-enough policy in my book
<5> hmm
<6> hello
<7> morning
<6> I have linux redhat 9 and I'm having problems opening ports :/
<7> oh jesus
<7> i'm too tired for this
<6> I need a tcp and udp port open :P
<7> someone else point out the obvious
<6> 27015
<6> iptables
<6> I'm new to linux...so....please...show me :P
<7> right, well, i guess i'll help
<7> 1) man iptables
<6> this linux carries the ip6tables
<7> 2) upgrade from ***hat 9
<8> global_ try to run setup
<8> "setup"
<6> setup?
<6> ./ip6tables -A INPUT -p tcp --destination-port 27015 -j ACCEPT
<6> this doesn't work
<7> heh, some dude didn't quite read where the cpu fan *should* go: http://img428.imageshack.us/img428/4884/pro1oc2pmvg7.jpg
<9> woot...got live video streaming going to my cell phone
<7> just found that now
<7> reality: what are you watching?
<9> Some police chase show on Court TV
<7> global_: isn't 27015 a game port?
<10> I think it's counterstrike
<6> yes
<6> I have the dedicated server installed
<6> it runs
<6> I just need to open up the tcp and udp 27015 port
<7> on rh9?
<6> yes
<7> a server on rh9?
<6> sure
<7> right, ok
<6> I've never opened a port in linux before
<6> and there's no graphical setup for it
<7> have you ever used linux at all before? enough to know that rh9 is unsupported and unmaintained?
<7> to the point it is very insecure?
<6> sure
<7> ...
<6> I just want to test out the server...
<6> to see what the latency is first
<7> of all the other distros to test out on though :/
<6> compared to running on a win box
<6> and what distro would you go with?
<7> personally?
<6> sure
<6> debian?
<7> debian sarge for a server, yes
<6> ok
<7> but as a rule i'd use a secure distro
<7> which means rh9 is excluded from the start
<6> right
<6> umm
<6> can you teach me how to open up the port :P
<7> nope
<4> global_: try to talk in single lines
<6> sorry
<6> I'm looking at iptables...but I'm not quite understanding the logic
<7> point is global: linux is one of those things in life where it pays to be self-sufficient
<7> and finding the info to open a port in iptables is too readily available to the point i'd almost feel like i was reiterating
<6> I'm just tooking at ip6tables -h
<6> looking
<7> this server isn't behind a router itself now is it?
<6> ./ip6tables -A INPUT -p tcp --destination 27015 -j ACCEPT
<6> should that work?
<7> isn't it --destination-port
<7> ?
<7> was last time i opened a port
<6> :P
<6> ./ip6tables -A INPUT -p tcp --destination-port 27015 -j ACCEPT so is there anything wrong with this?
<7> try it
<7> you'll soon find out
<6> it says can't initialize ip6tables table 'filter'
<6> then says upgrade
<4> then your kernel doesn't have it
<7> have you got the filter module loaded?
<7> or compiled?
<6> guess not
<6> how do I obtain filter module?
<7> it's the packet filtering in the ip_tables groub in the netfilter conf section
<7> or something
<5> might try one for that is not for ipv6
<5> iptables
<7> group*
<5> if he is this clueless i doubt he is running on ipv6
<6> got it
<6> thanx whitecap
<4> global_: please spell your words out
<6> I just used iptables instead of ip6
<4> wow!
<11> whee action
<6> stupid..
<5> woot, new mythbusters. coke and mentos, and postage stamp on helo blade
<6> I just started linux...cut me some slack :P
<0> whitecap: ever done the coke and mentos before? that's kinda cool.
<5> global_: and you are a fool. 1 : distro that cannot be secured. 2: clueless and running server
<5> ksh: never tried myself but the results look cool
<5> global_: if you want to do things without doing your legwork stick with osX
<0> whitecap: http://www.unixdoctor.com/gallery/random-stuff_coke-and-mentos
<6> I'm ok with legwork...I just have to get used to it
<7> global_: just take the advice
<5> global_: then first start by learning that we are not a substitute for google and documentation
<7> gah
<7> little git left
<5> sympatico, figures
<7> rh9 should be removed from the timeline
<7> what is mentos exactly?
<5> candy losenge
<7> oh right
<7> >< can't wait to get ibook
<7> been wanting one all year now and i'm so close to having the cash :D
<7> i'll finally be able to stop using this junk
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