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<0> actually, I am :) I've been laying off the expresso for several weeks now.
<0> I dont drink the normal coffee here at work, its ****ty.
<1> Haha, sounds too familiar
<0> :)
<1> had to suffer complete crap coffee too until we got the D.E. machine
<0> a large one ? or one of them table size thingies ?
<1> One of those large, multi button things
<0> mmm.
<0> those are pretty decent. we have to make do with one of them table size thingies.
<1> It's capable of producing the most exotic coffees you can think of
<0> hehe. you should ! variation makes life interesting.
<1> Not when it comes to coffee. I'll always prefer mine strong and black
<0> I concur :)
<2> I prefer mine blond and voloptuous.
<1> Caffee Latte fan eh?
<2> Coma: hehe true, but then decaffeinated..
<1> Mentioning decaf here is worse than asking for exploits :P
<2> oh well, I'll take my chances.
<2> I do like the caffeine rush, but it leaves splitting headaches so I keep to more suitable drugs in the evening with less sideeffects :P
<1> Oh, I only get splitting headaches when I don't consume enough caffeine ;)
<1> Or atleased, used to, before cutting down on the intake ;)
<1> Evening, Viking
<3> hey John
<1> heyo Eric
<4> hi Nanuq, Coma
<3> V667
<5> Viking667: what's up with NetBSD and DragonflyBSD? :)
<4> And I've left DragonFlyBSD well alone.
<3> hrm.. link o' the day
<3> http://www.posbeer.org/oppaat/sahti/equipment.php
<3> Viking667: So which of those do you like best?
<3> Viking667: 'cause I'll only touch NetBSD :)
<4> Nanuq: hrm? How come?
<4> And so far, I can't compare them effectively, though I think NetBSD's package manager absolutely ****s.
<3> Viking667: FreeBSD went downhill from 5.x (that is, 4.x was the last best series), and OpenBSD has Theo.
<3> Viking667: pkgsrc has its issues, yeah
<3> Viking667: pain in the *** to upgrade things
<4> the NetBSD has all the deps in each package, that's fine, I don't mind that... but if I'm installing packages and have to take a break in the middle, then I have to have downloaded the packages manually, or else the downloaded ones get wiped.
<3> Viking667: eh?
<4> Nanuq: okay. Let's say I want to install evince. pkgsrc goes and gets evince, sees it needs a buttload of stuff, and for each package it downloads, it examines those packages too, to see what else to pull in. If I break that download about seven packages in, because it's going to be too big to grab in one session, then pkgsrc erases everything it's downloaded thus far.
<3> Viking667: you mean delete the archives, or what it's been working on?
<3> Viking667: I haven't found that so. if you interrupt it, it should continue where it left off
<4> what it downloaded from the time you went "pkgsrc install evince"
<4> And no, I found (on 3.0) that it ERASED it all.
<3> pkgsrc install?
<4> It didn't erase stuff I downloaded manually, only stuff it downloaded in the session.
<3> maybe I'm in bizarro world.
<4> Nanuq: err, call it a summary
<3> I cd to what I want, and run make. it does the rest.
<4> I can't remember the exact command name nor summary
<4> hrm?
<3> Viking667: I still run 2.1
<4> you're talking ports?
<3> I'm talking pkgsrc
<4> oh.
<4> I was talking binary packages.
<3> those exist?
<4> i.e. whatever pkg_get get.
<3> whack. I roll from source.
<4> yeah! It's how come I found out Nighthawk existed.
<4> oh.
<4> And yes, there is a set of binary packages...
<3> Viking667: eh I prefer to roll my own
<3> Viking667: considering this box has 96M, sometimes even with -Os
<4> ah. Then there's your difference.
<4> I've got 256MB on the NetBSD box, with 3.4GB of space on /, so I don't bother compiling.
<3> Viking667: what cpu?
<4> It would, quite simply, fail on Firefox/Mozilla/XF86
<4> A Coppermine 766
<3> geez
<3> k6-2-300. ph33r
<4> I'm more worried about drive space. I've only got the one drive for NetBSD
<3> Viking667: right now I'm planning to benchmark gcc 3.4.6 vs gcc 4.1.1 on Solaris/SPARC
<4> And having only 256MB means a compile might take a while.
<3> Viking667: Word is there's a 10% improvement. I'll try a non-***embler compile of OpenSSL
<3> Viking667: this drive is 6.4G, doesn't get along with the chipset too well.
<3> Viking667: netbsd always knocks it down to UDMA1
<4> Ideally, I would have liked to give each BSD at least 10GB, for a fair ***essment.
<3> Viking667: Tell me what you think.
<4> Is that the actual DRIVE, or is it a controller issue?
<3> Viking667: I'm certain it's the relationship between the drive and the chip
<4> define "chip"
<3> aceride0: Acer Labs M5229 UDMA IDE Controller (rev. 0xc1)
<3> ^ that chip
<3> wd0: drive supports PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode 2 (Ultra/33)
<3> wd0: transfer error, downgrading to Ultra-DMA mode 1
<3> wd0(aceride0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 1 (using DMA data transfers)
<3> wd0d: DMA error reading fsbn 0 of 0-3 (wd0 bn 0; cn 0 tn 0 sn 0), retrying
<3> wd0: soft error (corrected)
<3> Viking667: see?
<4> Well, I don't know the chip...
<4> I've seen that happen with VIA too, under Linux.
<6> I know the chip, and it's known for disliking WD drives
<3> Viking667: I mean it's rock solid
<6> then again , WD is known for beeing finicky drives
<3> wd0 at atabus0 drive 0: <QUANTUM FIREBALL SE6.4A>
<4> ahh. remember that under NetBSD, ALL drives are called WD
<3> wlfshmn: :)
<4> oh yeah, FireBalls are a bit finicky too.
<6> ah, that I did not know ;)
<4> At least that's what I've found.
<6> fireballs I know nothing about
<3> Viking667: I had an old IBM 540M drive that didn't do that, but ISTR it only supporting UDMA1 from the getgo ;)
<7> Morning.
<3> hey Tron
<7> Nanuq: Greets
<4> Any fireballs I've used have been okay, but ya can't drive them TOO hard...
<3> Viking667: but they're drives, aren't you supposed to?
<4> Anyhow, time I left.
<3> adios
<4> Nanuq: I've ended up losing data with driving stuff too hard.
<3> Viking667: no problems on this one
<4> Anyhow, bye for now, all.
<4> I'd LOVE to get Solaris to see serial ports, then I could get THAT online too...
<8> Nanuq: still playing around with that aes/blowfish issue ?
<3> Sunblade: nope, benchmarking
<9> Where's the other four?
<7> They couldn't stand the heat, so are having a nice lie down.
<9> Right.
<6> Tron: My fathers company's neighbours is an anti-drug ***ociation called "FUD". I find that rather amusign ;)
<7> wlfshmn: Heheh
<6> Tron: stands for "Framtid Utan Droger", which translated to Future Without Drugs ;)
<7> wlfshmn: Isn't a future without drugs otherwise known as "death" ? ;)
<6> Tron: well, there are legal drugs and there are illegal drugs.. the former is supposedly not what they are trying to get rid of ;)
<7> wlfshmn: Ah, they're referring to those substances which .gov deems as being bad for you are they?
<6> Tron: There is a goverment-owned drug distribution center called "The Crowns Drug Trade", if one is a little liberal (more literal) in the translation ;)
<3> !
<3> Okay so for blowfish, I get a 3% improvement with gcc 4.1.1 over 3.4.6
<3> but with AES, I get a 32% improvement!
<10> !lag
<5> [ n o x o ]
<6> ok, now, wtf. isn't this transaction comitted
<11> Does this work for anyone? host www.easynet.co.uk ns1.easynet.co.uk
<11> ah, seems they're back up now
<3> heya Russ
<12> what's the tty device for the COM3 port?
<12> ?????????
<12> well?
<13> well what? com3 doesn't have a tty device.
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