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<0> I like listening to music too much, I'm araid.
<1> I like music too much to have it crippled
<1> and if I have to buy an iPod to enjoy it, yes, it is crippled
<0> I like mpeg-4 audio more than mp3 and ogg, so I dont mind the ipod.
<2> its not like ipods wont play non-drm music
<2> wtf?
<1> my phone plays plain mpeg4 just fine
<0> all 4 songs that fit on it?
<1> D-side: Ill need an iPod to play music I buy at iTunes if I want to enjoy it anywhere but home
<3> MPEG4 rocks the casbah
<1> D-side: to me that is just retarded
<0> or a phone that has itunes in it
<1> TenBaseT: I have a 512MB memory card
<2> Jostein: i have no idea what you're trying to say.
<1> fits quite a lot of -standard- mpeg4 files
<4> g'morning all
<2> you use an ipod to play any mp3 you've got, from anywhere
<2> what the hell kind of ***umption are you making here?
<1> D-side: If I -buy- music off iTunes, its DRMed, so I cant transcode it to fit my needs
<5> who is student here?
<2> so.. dont ****ing buy off itunes?
<1> yeah
<1> thats what Im saying
<3> by transcoding it you're affecting the quality whether you like it or not :P
<2> and use an ipod to hold more than your 20 songs
<2> that your cell will hold
<1> D-side: not with a 512MB memorycard
<1> and my phone can handle 2gig cards
<1> thats my -primary- "mp3" player.
<6> heh...epson CX4200 does a nice job of print envelopes :)
<2> i might be the wrong person to talk to about this. any device that can fit in my pocket can play my music.
<2> i'm listening to gnarls barkley on my DS right now in fact.
<1> D-side: you didnt get my point.
<0> sure he did
<1> D-side: My point was that DRMed music is inherently broken and thus I wont support it
<3> db2: they have one of those upstairs, the ink for them is nice and cheap
<0> you're a douchebag apple hater :D
<0> do you buy DVDs?
<1> D-side: and TenBaseT thinks Im a loonatic for thinking so
<0> those are also DRM broken
<1> TenBaseT: yes, but at least its a stable standard, and the tools required to hack those will work now and any time in the future
<1> TenBaseT: as opposed to iTunes where Apple releases a new patch every time a hole is found
<0> enjoy your pile of DRM-free Journey c***ette tapes.
<1> in short: I want my media accesible and portable. any solution that aims to rob me of this is IMO pure crap
<2> to that i say
<2> Jostein: dont stop... believing
<0> ahahhhaha
<0> D-side++
<1> pfff
<0> yeah it's crap
<0> just like cars are crap
<0> but I keep buying them
<0> just like my job is crap
<0> but I keep going
<0> life *is* pain, Your Highness.
<1> TenBaseT: what is so hard about just buying a CD and getting clean rips in a format of your own choice?
<1> that I can be attacked as a loonie simply because I dont like flexibility taken away from me... thats rather odd
<1> who here was from the land of the free(tm) again?
<2> no i'm not attacking you for being insane
<7> quien habla espaol
<2> land of the free?
<2> not for the past 7 years pal.
<1> you know. you guys can **** up to the industry, go with their BS that the world will end without legislated DRM and so on.
<1> but outside the US borders DRM is increasingly seen as illegal means to segregate markets
<2> i appreciate that
<1> which, in effect it is. it has done nothing to stop piracy. only limit legitemate customers
<0> Jostein: nothing, thats what I usually do.
<0> Jostein: but CD's won't last forever, and whatever supplants them will be rights restricted.
<3> what kind of firepower would be required to destroy the RIAA?
<1> one of my favorite labels, ninjatune, even mocks copyright as a concept
<1> Im sure they will restrict their releases as well
<1> Tamahome: the firepower it takes to make morons stop buying music :P
<8> hi
<3> the question was both rhetorical and funny, you just ruined it :P
<1> TenBaseT: anyway. I find it odd that in #linux, the channel for a OS which will most likely not get a player for these new, wonderful DRMed formats, don't oppose DRM at concept-level
<3> we're not anti-everything
<6> hey tamahome, do you happen to know what a replacement cartridge (black) for one of these printers goes for?
<0> Operating systems have **** all to do with DRM
<0> so it doesnt matter.
<1> well. if your OS doesnt have a player that can play your media, Id say it matters, but that is just me
<3> db2: no, but GIYF
<1> anyway... enough about that
<6> hmmmm, black cartridge runs about $19 or so
<3> yeah that was what the blue & red cost each
<3> versus my ****ty little HP where the black and color cartridge each cost $32
<6> i'm not out yet, but I have a office depot up the street
<2> i gotta say, i'm not unhappy i haven't had a ink printer for years.
<2> i love having a laser. none of that bull**** you're talking about
<3> I don't print enough to have a huge printer
<2> i dont print tons either, but i spent i think maybe $350 total 6 years ago.
<2> never had to replace the toner.
<3> and how often do you end up buying to... oh
<2> how much do you think an inkjet printer itself costs and ink over those 6 years?
<2> i really don't know, thats an honest question
<9> cheaper to replace the printer than buy cartridges
<0> thThats not true
<3> my dinky little DJ3420 cost $80 brand new... plus maybe I've bought oh I dunno... 4 cartridges in the past 3 years, each at $30 apiece
<1> when my old inkjet went out of ink, I just ditched it
<3> so that's only about $200
<1> new ink cost 50% of what I paid for the damn printer
<3> but again, I don't print much
<0> the ink tanks with new printers less than a third full
<3> someone who printed a lot more often would have spent more
<0> yeah but retail ink tanks have a LOT more ink in them than hte ones they give you
<0> I wont buy an inkjet printer though
<0> I bought a $70 toner for my laser in 2000 and I'm still printing on it
<1> so to me it aint much of an issue
<10> hey! cananyoane tell nme the adduser commmand?
<2> InQuiziTeuR: you got it.
<2> InQuiziTeuR: glad to help.
<2> bye nwo.
<2> now even.
<3> TBT: what make/model of printer?
<1> D-side: I don't think he get's it when we use space between words
<6> laser printers are nice, but can be a problem at times...
<3> I hate Lexmarks
<3> well, moreover I hate *servicing* Lexmarks
<0> I've got a HP 6MP
<0> I love it
<6> hehehe...well, one thing about laser printers, if you don't print very much, you need to remove the drum so that toner doesn't get caked all over it
<0> what?
<0> not with HPs.
<0> HP uses a unified toner/EP cartridge
<0> at least the monochrome ones do
<6> well, brother laser printers have a separate drum/toner ***y
<0> oh
<6> but I like my CX4200 :)
<0> I wish my printer had a duplexer
<0> Tamahome: ever since the patents on postscript expired, pretty much all HP lasers speak it for free
<6> TBT...nodz
<3> through what, a flash update of some sort?
<0> Tamahome: the cheapest of the HP printers with a real paper tray, I think it's the 1300cs, is a good printer
<0> no, I mean hte new printers
<3> oh
<0> it used to be that grokking postscript cost an extra $60 or so
<0> if not more
<0> because adobe got paid for every installed postscript engine
<6> yeah...
<3> I don't see myself buying a new printer any time soon
<3> I am waffling getting a laptop
<3> but my experience with owning a VAIO kinda soured me on it
<6> Tama...thinkpad/lenovo
<3> ewww Stinkpad
<3> I hear the Lenovo ones **** even more than the IBM ones
<6> I have a A31 (1.6Ghz Pentium 4 M)
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