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<0> lol
<1> heh
<2> ok, am I missing anything in the projected new home machine: http://www.komplett.se/k/shoplist.asp?mode=receive&si=361015&su=A971FEEC-6944-47D3-AEB9-67B8D779B7B0
<1> I know. #freebsd & #solaris are much better for dating :P
<0> yeah, girls dig dtrace :P
<3> neph_fl: there's a channel for Finding Online A Date... it's called #FOAD
<1> mount is just sooo straight
<4> wlfshmn: /me checks
<4> wlfshmn: *cough*, i see you have a lot of money to burn :^)
<2> mod-: peripherals, including external DVD-burner, is taken care of already
<5> looks like neomail uses the berkely db module, so i should be able to export directly from db file if i can find an application that will open it
<1> "It is the sound of sleepy humpback whales singing about Linux and Stephen Hawking's voice synthesizer run through a vocoder."
<1> now that is a way to phrase yourself :P
<4> wlfshmn: erm, will you be using the stock CPU heatsink then?
<2> mod-: and those monetary units are in .se pesos,
<0> neph_fl: good luck with that :P
<2> mod-: until I figure out a better one, yeah, the stock will do
<6> wlfshmn: umm?
<0> neph_fl: you do know that berkeleydb isn't backwards compatible? So, if Neo used version 1.2 you're very likely out of luck with version 2.2 :P
<2> Qunan: ?
<6> Oh, n/m
<6> wlfshmn: EPP = ECC?
<4> wlfshmn: hm, if you give me the link for the heatsinks in that site i might be able to make suggestions :^)
<2> Qunan: No
<6> Error Poking + Prodding?
<6> Doesn't actually correct the errors.
<6> wlfshmn: Well it's useless then
<2> "Enhanced Performance Profiles"
<2> Qunan: I'm not getting 4GB of ECC ram for my home workstation ;)
<6> video card should be ATI
<6> HD is okay
<2> Qunan: I can't find anything ATI that is fanless -and- fast ;)
<6> board is okay
<6> wlfshmn: doesn't matter. ATI or nothing.
<2> Qunan: I disagree with you on that point ;)
<6> wlfshmn: if you're running leenooks on it, then you might as well go cheapest, 'cause it'd be a waste otherwise
<2> Qunan: I'll be gaming in windows
<6> then okay
<2> Qunan: although it does bring up a vlaid point..
<6> almost $3K CAD
<6> wlfshmn: which is that?
<2> I won't be able to SLI two nVidia boards on that mainboard, but then again, I'll be unlikely to run dual boards at all..
<4> wlfshmn: i'd go for Thermalright XP-120 (they sell a separate adaptor for socket 775) with a Nexus 120mm fan
<6> wlfshmn: that include VAT?
<2> hence, I don't need a fancy 975 chipset..
<2> Qunan: yeah, the price is including our 25% sales tax
<6> cripes
<2> Qunan: I won't be paying that though. My dads company will buy it as a buisness expense
<6> wlfshmn: bad enough they tax the hell out of you on your income, but then there's sales.
<4> wlfshmn: i'd also prefer the P5B to the P5W
<6> wlfshmn: here it'd be, now, 14%
<6> wlfshmn: if the item is expensive and small enough, it's often cheaper to order out-of-province
<6> wlfshmn: then it'd only be 6%
<6> so on a $1000 item, that's $70. it's some uber-expensive, say, RAM..
<6> er, if it's
<6> er, $80
<6> savings.. ****
<2> Qunan: I should probably go for a 965 chipset instead..
<2> mod-: indeed, that is the conversionI was looking at now ;)
<4> wlfshmn: then check what i just said ;^)
<4> hehe
<2> mod-: I was away reading specs ;)
<2> mod-: I wonder if the wifi on that tihng is worth replacing my PCI wifi board..
<6> wlfshmn: does that chipset support ECC?
<2> Qunan: no
<6> I'm always looking at MicroATX boards, so it's usually a non-issue: no.
<6> However, Asus has some MicroATX Am2 boards coming out
<6> anything from AMD these days includes ECC support, 'cause it's on the CPU
<4> wlfshmn: well, if it works, you might as well use it
<2> mod-: indeed
<2> mod-: I expect it will do everytihng the 3com board does, except 802.11a, which I'm not using
<6> still don't have anything up
<2> Qunan: I don't see any point in using ECC on a workstation anyway
<6> but if you do a search for "M2V" it comes up with a couple boards
<2> Qunan: If I was building critical server infrastructure, sure.. but for a workstation? not worth the money
<6> wlfshmn: there's little difference in price
<4> wlfshmn: i also have a couple of comments of the "overkill" variety
<4> wlfshmn: one is the CPU: you can get the E6600 for 3/5 the price of the E6700, and i don't expect the performance difference to be that great
<6> mod-: hey the cores are totally overclockable
<6> wlfshmn: hopefully we'll have some microatx via based am2 boards out from ASus, so that, and the athlon 64 x2 3800+ at 35W, we're laughin'
<4> wlfshmn: the other is the memory: Core 2 Duo's FSB has the same bandwidth as dual-channel DDR2-533, so DDR2-800 is way overkill (doesn't provide gains in performance). though it's true i'd go with DDR2-667 to be on the safe side
<2> Qunan: If I check here, the premium is about an extra 60%
<7> heeeellllllllllllllo
<6> wlfshmn: look harder
<2> mod-: really? I was going form the chipset specs, that proclaim 800 support
<7> ahh my friends
<7> :)
<2> zbuff: where?
<7> :)
<7> u
<7> you
<6> mod-: eh?
<7> Linux rocks
<2> most certainly not.
<7> rocks solid
<7> rocks bolid
<6> mod-: word is you can up the FSB on the duos to 800
<7> rocks bound to lips
<4> wlfshmn: it is supported yes, but what i'm saying is different
<6> oh, pfft
<2> Sunblade: See, I tried to do that, but realized I was in the wrong place
<4> Qunan: err, the Duos come with 1066MHz FSB
<8> hehe
<6> mod-: since when?
<7> oooo
<7> okay I stop
<7> :)
<6> mod-: maybe I'm mixin' my **** up
<8> wlfshmn: btw, i got notes working under linux now, didn't look hard enough :)
<8> zbuff: fix your enter key too.
<4> Qunan: since the Core 2
<2> mod-: With the memory controller on the chipset, I would imagine the CPU not to be the limiting factor in memory support
<7> And it is fast with core duo technology
<7> I love it
<4> wlfshmn: it's not a matter of *support*
<4> wlfshmn: look, i'll try to describe my point in detail
<2> mod-: that, or point me to someone sane saying the same thing ;)
<4> wlfshmn: in modern PCs, the most common type of transfers to/from RAM are CPU <-> main memory transfers
<6> mod-: oh, hrm
<6> mod-: I'm thinking a souped up mini would be best
<4> wlfshmn: with current Intel motherboards, such transfers go through two buses: the northbridge/RAM bus (memory bus) and the northbridge/CPU bus (front-side bus)
<7> hey guys
<4> wlfshmn: now, for hopefully obvious reasons, the total speed of such transfers will be equal to the speed of the slowest of the two buses
<7> what are we going to do to *** those ==== drm
<7> sorry
<7> but what did I say :)
<0> zbuff: you're starting to become very annoying.
<7> ooo sorry
<7> just that I love free software
<2> mod-: so, dualchannel 533 will saturate the buss?
<4> wlfshmn: it so happens that the current bandwidth of the Core 2 Duo FSB (at 1066MHz) matches the bandwidth of dual-channel DDR2-533, so in theory anything more than that doesn't pay off
<6> mod-: but what about pci to cpu?
<9> hi
<6> well, hrm
<2> mod-: well, that would save a good chunk of moeny..
<4> wlfshmn: in practice, there are other types of transfers happening too, so it pays off to get memory one step faster
<6> mod-: nevermind
<4> wlfshmn: hence my suggestion to get DDR2-667
<6> mod-: so what the mini has is okay
<7> do u have the psecs for the next intel gma ?
<0> zbuff: its spelled "you". And what does that got to do with Linux ?
<4> Qunan: what does it have?
<6> mod-: DDR2-667
<6> mod-: but, that's actually a Core Duo, not the second version
<6> mod-: I'm seriously considering that, as it's a nice small box _anyhow_
<6> mod-: plus runs OS X :)
<6> mod-: wait for the second version of it, with faster CPUs, etc
<4> Qunan: sounds like a good plan :^)
<4> wlfshmn: how about: http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=312023
<6> mod-: need to get my G4 mini souped up though
<6> mod-: bought it, practically never used it
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