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<0> tavi-san: you obviously need more coffee
<0> tavi-san: fyi, it is New Wave Wednesday
<1> kosmo: had two and like 10 cigs in 3 hours
<1> i think it's the other way around
<1> anyways, sipura ATAs ****, dont use them
<2> select * from vmol_bezoekrap where timeinserted_ like '2006-02-02'
<2> meh!
<1> hah
<1> o.O
<1> erm, btw i have already 3 people from here wanting to sign in for a cisco CCNA course
<1> if anyone wants mail me on the shanta addy
<0> mmm... crisco courses.
<0> ahhhhhh... fresh cup of high test battery acid
<1> seems i will get the approval of settign up a webinar too and then it will be ok...
<3> **** off, I'm on lunch.
<1> gotta love teh .ro internet backbone
<3> tavi-san: I thought Romania's connection to the rest of the internet was via spinal cord with blood dripping from it ;)
<1> hah
<1> dont know just my ssh connection to shanta borked several times
<3> I must remember to make my man-in-the-middle attacks less noisy ;)
<1> and the one to $home was alive, so i stand my point, .ro ****s, everyone buys .ro bw and nothing out of it
<1> Tron: haha, you are not subtle enough ;)
<0> iTunes library does some really retarded things sometimes.
<1> evil game got to 58, but im not english... http://www.play4traffic.com/game.php
<1> kosmo: no kidding ;)
<0> tavi-san: I REALLY want to customize my main view of my library without trying to grind up a playlist.
<1> kosmo: dude, it's steve's creating, it's not going to be your way, it's his way everytime ;)
<1> s/creating/creation
<0> tavi-san: I like the library generally sorted by artist, but then I would like it sorted on the second level by album
<0> then, natrually, by track number.
<1> kosmo: heh
<1> i have an ipod shuffle now, i dont really care about sorting :)
<0> tavi-san: I have a 4gb mini with a 250 gig library. this is something of a problem :)
<0> I guess I need to get ready for werk.
<1> kosmo: heh, good luck with that ;)
<1> kosmo: id like a 4 gb nano...
<0> tavi-san: Im going to get a 60G ipod unless they release something new and spiffy on apr 1
<1> kosmo: if i buy that, i will prolly not eat for 2 months or something :)
<2> tavi-san: expecting a prpduct launch on april the first doesnt' sounds like the best things to do
<1> i wish i had my ms curve kb here, i wouldve beaten that 58 score in that game
<1> wlfshmn: hahahaha ;)
<1> they will release "the 80 gb pr0n only gonphlable doll"
<1> or something
<0> wlfshmn: uh, it is the 30 year anniversary of Apple Computer. It is strongly speculated that there will be and Jobs hinted at it in the MacWorld Keynote.
<1> hrm, going to get a smoke and a bottle of coca-cola
<1> Sunblade: in romania like 80% of the home users are part of a "neighbourhood network"
<1> Sunblade: and they build a lan made of a few blocks and all share a bigger connection
<1> which has advantages and disadvantages
<1> as in everyone is buying 100 or 200 mbps .ro connection for torrents and DC downloads
<1> but the external bw is ****y
<1> but some of us (like myself) just make GRE tunnels for external connection ;)
<4> care e o
<4> care e on
<4> ?
<1> ghjgjgj: use English! and noone is >on<
<1> hrm, he got the point :)
<5> Hey, some of my users symlinked .bash_history to /dev/null. I want logging on all accounts activated of course. How can I log commands in a way that single users cannot affect the logs?
<6> ionix: Suspend their accounts and let them know that that isn't tolerated.
<5> I did but the HR manager doesn't agree with me to delete the account
<1> ionix: dont delete, just suspend
<5> well he is suspended now
<1> and mail them with the RULES
<1> hi Shadur
<5> and I brought him to HR and said I don't want him on linux machines anymore
<5> but I have to accept him again and I think he wants to cover traces
<5> he regulary delete the file for "performance issues" and bull****ting me
<5> so I want to log him anyway, see what he does and if he fsck with the machine, have him fired
<6> "Performance issues"? Over .bash_history? He's lying
<5> I know
<6> Suspend his account.
<5> account already suspended but I will have to reactivate soon. I don't just want to reactivate and hope he will behave
<5> I want to log him anyway
<7> go above the HR manager's head, as they clearly shouldnt be making technical decisions.
<7> wtf does that work anyway?
<5> Man, I wish I could take a hockey stick, hit him on the face and he would know who is his daddy
<5> he works at phone call routing optimization so he needs a shell to analyze traffic on the switches
<7> you know, i was with you til just now.
<7> I was in your corner. Now i want to punch you in the throat.
<5> throat hurts :/
<5> but seriously, any root process or permissions I can set to have the shell cmd history not changeable by the user?
<3> ionix: I'm just thinking about that...
<8> Can I be the very dumb windows user for the day and ask you this: if I need to access IPv6 servers I have to run Linux don't I? I can't do it with Windows?
<3> ionix: You might, depending on the filesystem you're using, be able to make .bash_history Appendable, but not deletable.
<3> ionix: By using chattr
<6> ionix: Well, it should be a normal user account, meaning that he'd have to use sudo to get anything real done.
<5> I am on ext3
<3> I wonder... Hmmm that's interesting... *tippy tap*
<3> Shadur: Just wondering if you can, by using chattr, make the file appendable but not deletable in some way.
<3> ionix: Then ext3 supports a number of things you can do via chattr.
<7> i dont suppose a restricted bash shell would have any such built in limitations
<3> ionix: For example, you can make a file immutable, which means "Even root cannot delete this file"
<7> i'm completely pulling that out of my *** though. i have no idea.
<1> D-side: wow, your *** must be huge
<5> I'll look at it
<5> chattr
<3> A file with the `a' attribute set can only be open in append mode for writing. Only the supe-
<3> ruser or a process possessing the CAP_LINUX_IMMUTABLE capability can set or clear this
<3> attribute.
<9> chattr +i
<3> Which means that if you set it as immutable and appendable, in theory the bash history can be written to, but the user won't be able to link it to /dev/null or wherever, nor will he be able to delete it.
<3> whyzzyrd: And +a
<10> CAP_LINUX_IMMUTABLE
<10> interesting...
<3> whyzzyrd: See what I've been typing from a few minutes ago ;)
<5> ok I will try
<3> Expect breakage ;)
<9> Tron: yup.
<3> extended attributes are nifty though.
<3> Gah. THat doesn't appear to work.
<3> Hmm.
<1> http://aszune.xsa.ch/forum_posts.asp?TID=22&PN=1&TPN=75 second post, a chick i played wow for an year and didnt know she looked that way, luckily nor did my fiancee
<3> Actually, +i attribute is probably wrong. WOnder if +a only is what is needed...
<6> tavi: Access denied.
<3> ionix: Yes, chattr +a .bash_history will do the job.
<3> whyzzyrd: setting it +i will render bash unable to write the history to .bash_history. Setting it +a will allow bash to write the history to it, and also not allow the user to remove the file.
<6> Tron: Don't forget to -a the system logs as well.
<3> Shadur: -a or +a ?
<3> Shadur: I think you meant +a ;)
<1> Shadur: damn, sorry, thought it worked, didnt notice i was logged in
<6> Yeah, +a
<1> anyways, it was a hawt chick that's all :)
<0> tavi-san: great idea.
<7> hot chick + WOW = insane
<3> hot chick + computers == rare (unless the chick is being viewed ON the computer - that's not so rare)
<10> Tron there are some chick in laptop/computer advertising..they offer the image, I bet they're really silly asked for what's inside the box:)
<10> not intel, maybe is a lipstick or else inside :D
<9> Tron: will it stop the user catting /dev/null over it?
<3> whyzzyrd: Oooohhh. Um. Hmmm, there's a point...
<3> whyzzyrd: kcave@email:~$ dd if=/dev/null of=.bash_history
<3> dd: opening `.bash_history': Operation not permitted
<3> whyzzyrd: Ah that's why, you can _only_ append to the file.
<3> You cannot overwrite the file in any way.
<1> hrm, i cant find the damn galleries
<11> anybody prefer a certain type of bot software? does anyone even use eggdrops anymore?
<11> its been like 5 years since i've even bothered
<10> Comet- ask on another channel.
<11> well figuring that i'd be installing it on a linux server, you'd think someone not lazy enough would provide an opinion
<10> maybe, someday
<3> Comet-: We generally do not like discussing bots on this channel.
<11> good enough for me
<6> We generally don't like people who bring the subject up either.
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