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<0> NanuqXXV: No, bad genetics *ducks*
<1> PolarWolf: reload
<2> whats wrong with <p align="center"> ?
<3> wait, that's a table!
<4> OxD: better
<1> now i have to get that into the c-col i think
<4> OxD: Lose the <BR>, too
<4> OxD: You really should try to get rid of all formatting code
<1> i'm aware
<1> PolarWolf: dude have you SEEN the code?
<3> Falchion: :P
<4> OxD: No :)
<3> OxD: he can still see, can't he?
<1> PolarWolf: lets say there's sections where you are reminded why most people knock php for being unreadable
<4> OxD: Hehe
<1> this is one of them
<1> view.php ****s to edit
<3> PolarWolf: his spacebar was broken that day
<1> or, from your point of view, op=view
<1> giant cluster**** of abysmal
<4> OxD: <BR><hr><br> ?
<4> Fugly
<3> Jostein: What do we think.. 2.5" HD enclosure, with less capacity but now external power required, or 3.5" enclosure?
<3> s/now/no/
<4> Just use a <hr /> if you really have to and space out the <div> blocks properly
<1> PolarWolf: that used to be three different echo statements...
<2> PolarWolf: err.. <br /> ?
<1> i made it one last night just from a coder's standpoint of "OMFG THATS STUPID"
<0> Amsuing. A .de email account that blocks all mail from .com as spam...
<4> OxD: Hehe
<2> hhehehehe
<4> OxD: If you need a hand, just howler
<1> PolarWolf: werd
<3> Jostein: have you seen..
<1> i want to fix that "voted twice" message
<1> ...actually its the same fix as "**** you jack***". must be sitting in the wrong div
<1> or none at all
<2> mnow what?
<4> OxD: I'd concentrate on the code cleaning first, and then about the actual CSS to format things
<2> Emerson: now what?
<1> PolarWolf: to clean the code i'd redo the whole thing in mod_perl
<3> Jostein: http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=242
<5> Jostein: that Dcc bs
<1> PolarWolf: html::template to the rescue
<4> OxD: hehe
<4> OxD: php has as advantage that all the useful web apps are written in it :(
<2> Emerson: well... I was reading the quotes. was sorta amsuing. However I was clever enough to send it as a actual DCC, not as a channelmessage
<2> Emerson: guess I read too fast :P
<1> PolarWolf: yeah. i don't understand why mod_perl never caught on
<2> NanuqXXV: not too bad price I guess. for iGear
<1> oh wait. because it forces you to separate content code from logic code
<4> OxD: People don't seem to like perl
<2> NanuqXXV: or is that MacGear these days?
<1> php lets you just throw it all together
<4> No, it allows you to. You don't *have* to
<3> Jostein: that'd wdgear ;)
<2> heh
<4> Same with jsp, perl, etc. It's basically up to the coder.
<1> PolarWolf: but not as readily as php. $randomcode?><center><?$morecode
<3> Jostein: http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=224
<3> Jostein: I'd probably save $20 and get that one
<4> OxD: Developer discipline :)
<1> PolarWolf: php just makes it WAY easier to be an ***
<1> yep
<3> Jostein: it'd match my monitor's colour scheme
<2> NanuqXXV: pimp :)
<1> what the ****. ok this div is never closed
<4> I still prefer J2EE for web apps though
<1> ugh
<2> OxD: rework the crap with a templating engine?
<1> PolarWolf: i know the performance numbers outdo anything else, but the stability i see on java app servers is still craptacular
<4> OxD: Granted
<4> OxD: There are some truly horrific ones around
<4> Though I really like orion
<1> i still haven't figured out if its the coders or the platform or a combination of the platform being unforgiving to stupid coders
<3> ohh
<1> probably the latter
<3> Sat Jul 8 12:11:13 EDT 2006
<3> I'm 25 now.
<4> OxD: OTOH, we have a web app running on tomcat...on Windows 2000 of all things, and it hardly ever goes down
<1> PolarWolf: oh i see "windowsish" freakouts on **** as enterprise cl*** as weblogic
<4> If it goes down, it's usually the database to blame
<4> And they make us restart the web app "just in case"
<1> our apps legitimately freak out. no root cause or anything just "yeah. that happens"
<4> OxD: It's just as easy to write misbehaving, crappy web applications in Java as on anything else
<1> though i know 2.4.20ish kernels and java threads to not get along at all. thats partly to blame in some environments. i actually see better app server stability on fedora core 4 than RHEL 3
<4> We have a trouble ticket system which comes as a *custom built* J2EE application server which is truly horrific
<1> like, 1000% better app performance and uptime
<4> I expect to have to restart it at least twice a day
<2> PolarWolf: in Cobol.NET it aint easy, but so is nothing else either
<4> It got implemented on friday, and we already had to reboot the server twice and restart the app server twice
<1> PolarWolf: see, i think its either that its easier to be a bad coder in java or java app servers are just way less forgiving than any other app server
<2> PolarWolf: dang
<4> Then we got to delete an entire index table because it somehow got corrupted causing the whole thing not to start at all
<1> heh
<4> OxD: I dunno what it is
<4> Usually when something goes wrong, the server throws an exception the length of my arm, and barfs
<1> nobody does
<1> haha yeah.
<1> but when its done RIGHT java works well enough
<2> thats always great -fun-
<4> Preferably into a limited size buffer, so you miss the upper, important, part of the exception.
<1> i've been working with netscape/redhat/sunone/iplanet/fedora directory server lately. stable as a ****ing rock
<4> We get to mess with Oracle's stuff soon
<1> PolarWolf: or its so routine for big *** exceptions to be thrown into the log that you can't tell whats actually a problem
<1> nothing like pasting a client a two page error and them going "oh yeah. that always does that. thats not whats making it die"
<4> Hey, LDAP was invented to search through data which is inefficient to search as relational data, right?
<1> yeah. adds a third dimension basically
<4> Guess what Oracle does
<4> It implements an LDAP server (OID) *on top* of an RDBMS
<2> lol
<1> aaagh
<1> kill it
<1> die die die
<4> I thought I was living in an alternate universe when I read that one
<1> couldn't they have just stolen the fedora DS code?
<1> call it a day?
<4> OxD: I...dunno
<6> it's saturday and im still @ work
<6> ffs
<4> They bolt *everything* onto that ****en database of theirs. Whether it's a good idea or not.
<2> heh
<1> sure. because every CPU you run it on costs exctly one soul
<4> We get a 85% discount
<1> wow
<1> so thats like, what, one virgin?
<4> Goes to show what they bleed from us normally :)
<7> time to attempt yet another install of the ati binary drivers
<8> OxD: You offended the entire channel now.
<3> OxD: no, it's normally one virgin
<3> OxD: with the discount, they'll settle for a bum
<1> haha
<2> lol
<2> "Give me money!"
<1> dear god
<1> i like, can't fix this spacing ****
<2> heh
<2> Im sure it works in IE
<2> *grin*
<4> Okay, who here still has an Orkut account?
<6> not me
<1> i might
<6> hi guys
<1> hey tavi-san
<1> heh
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