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<0> 4. august vs august 4.
<1> and anyone who claims otherwise is a retarded fool
<2> smsie: *nod*
<3> Gathond: which is why I say that "Feb 8, 2007" is okay, but not "2-8-2007"
<3> Gathond: because there's no confusion
<4> stating the month first, it's a safe ***umption to ***ume that the speaker is talking about that month of this year.
<3> Gathond: and that _is_ how I'd say it
<4> giving you some information right off the bat.
<1> yyyy-mm-dd sorts in the correct order. That's a hell of a good reason to use it
<4> stating the day first, there is no safe ***umption to make.
<3> smsie
<2> NineVolt: I always specify month -last- when I speak. "4th of august" (when speaking .no-ian)
<4> even after the first third of the date has been told to you, you have effectively 0 information.
<4> Jostein : that's horrible.
<2> NineVolt: but when you -speak- you say the name of the month, not the number, so there's no confusion
<4> must **** living outside of america. all this confusion :P
<2> the instant you make numbers out of it, you make confusion by using weird, inconsitent formats
<4> everything's perfectly clear here. if i say 2/8, everyone knows i mean february 8th.
<4> there is only one format in america, and it's used very consistently.
<5> here it would be 2nd august
<2> If I say "2.8.2007" to anyone in the world outside the US, they all know its august
<0> NineVolt: and here everyone knows i mean 2nd of autust:)
<2> not my bad the US bitched up :P
<4> if their "bitching up" results in the removal of confusion, i'm all for it.
<0> NineVolt: its consistent, until you go to US or UK (think they do it the other way too)
<4> and considering it's you that's complaining about confusion, not me, i dunno :P
<2> NineVolt: your date didnt ditch you. you only showed up the wrong month :P
<1> 2/8 is the 8th of february in the UK
<4> i don't date foreigners
<5> Jostein: like he can get a date at all
<1> and I really don't give a damn in americans get it wrong
<4> indeed. i'm celibate.
<5> smsie: ?
<3> smsie: .. don't you mean Aug 2?
<0> smsie: the .us does the same:)
<2> smsie: well. the US and the UK insist on having the same silly, non-ISO, non-metric systems for whatever rationalized reason they have
<3> smsie: .ca and .uk use DD/MM/YYYY
<0> the rest of .eu (most anyway) has it DD/MM so 2/8 is 2nd aug
<1> Nanuq: yeah, and they're wrong to
<1> YYYY-MM-DD is the way to go
<3> smsie: I concur.
<1> or seconds since the epoch. Although that gets unwieldy :)
<5> smsie: seconded, go ISO
<6> Nanuq, gc.ca uses YYYY-MM-DD
<1> K_F: **** iso :@)
<7> hi does anyone know what package is named to install apache ?
<3> smsie: If there's a form with that order, I cross it out and use "YYYY-MM-DD"
<3> IceKarma: yup
<5> smsie: ISO _is_ YYYY-MM-DD
<2> smsie: what character encoding are you using again? :P
<1> it's rihght cos it's right. NOT because iso says so (iso gets it wrong a lot of the time)
<3> IceKarma: more often I'm noticing.
<8> bah. weeners. Everyone knows that WW-MM-DD-YYYY will be the next de-facto stanard
<3> IceKarma: I'm wondering when we're going to implement ISO 216
<8> standard even :-)
<5> Jostein: UTF-8 for the win
<9> cool, ethereal knows about Jabber
<2> K_F: well. smsie is still opposed to ISO
<1> Jostein: iso859-1, yes. That's nbot because it's iso, it's because it's sane
<2> K_F: let him speak with UDP smoke signals :P
<5> hehe
<1> Jostein: I didn't say I was opposed to iso
<7> trying to installapache on centos , could someone explain how to find out the name of the apache package?
<4> utf-8--
<2> smsie: <@smsie> K_F: **** iso :@)
<1> when something's right, it's right...whether it's iso or not isn't relevant
<1> Jostein: you can misinterpret my words all you like
<2> smsie: Im just pointing out that standards are usually a good thing
<5> Jostein: yet you use microsoft products
<2> K_F: .NET -is- a standard :P
<8> naah
<2> even a open one
<6> Nanuq, what's ISO 216?
<5> IceKarma: paper size
<6> K_F, ah, right.
<8> .NET is a tool. A rather limited one ;)
<5> we're discussing iso-9000 more actually
<8> Java on the other hand... :)
<1> Jostein: no. Documentation of best current practise is a good thing. That's what standards are in general. You follow them BECAUSE they are good practise, NOT because some ****er in ISO decided that was the way to go
<2> smsie: and I insist that the MM/DD/YY notation is the least usable of all date standards
<2> smsie: Id do anyone but that if I had a choice
<5> Jostein: yeah, but follow smsie's logic. I agree
<5> smsie: in this case I was only using it to state the format, not the organization, though
<1> Jostein: oh, I agree. But that's nothing to do with iso :)
<2> heh
<5> Jostein: http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=168421
<2> now... what shsould I have for dinner..
<5> and people wonder why I don't respect the police :|
<2> K_F: thats like bringing up enron and say that you dont trust financial people in general
<2> I thought you knew this "statistics" thing? :P
<2> "representative selection" and all that
<4> i hate cops.
<5> Jostein: you shouldn't trust anyone
<4> they've grabbed my nuts one too many times.
<5> NineVolt: I think many are doing a good job, but damn there are too many slackers that doesn't
<4> slackers?
<4> i think we've got the opposite situation on this side of the pond.
<10> iamatt: most likely centos's package manager has a search option, also their website should have a package listing that you can search. it's probably named apache1.3 or apache2.0 or whatever depending on which branch of the server you want
<5> idiots that should be fired
<4> cops that try planting "evidence" in your car
<11> my favourite part of ISO.. doesn't guarantee quality, just consistency.. so you can still be consistently producing a ****ty product.
<4> using illegal search methods
<4> physically ***ault you
<5> smsie: 9000 or 14000?
<7> RelDrgn yes httpd is the key word....
<5> ehrm, Strider
<4> and of course, my favorite...
<4> watch you cool off your overheated car 20 feet away, and not ask if you need help.
<10> iamatt: search using apache as the key word ;P
<4> but once you get it cooled and driving again, they wave you over to the side of the road to give you a seatbelt ticket.
<7> RelDrgn httpd will do it .. not apache. :D
<7> haha NineVolt
<5> NineVolt: never gotten a seatbelt ticket myself, enough other tickets though..
<4> i mean come on.
<4> "to serve and protect" my ***.
<11> I dunno, i've never had an issue with the cops myself.
<7> NineVolt a buddy of mine got a seatbelt ticket while backing out of his driveway
<4> the guy was in shouting distance. "hey you need some help?" oh hell no.
<4> instead he just stands there for 15 minutes, eyeing down p***ing cars.
<11> most of the ones that I've dealt with over the years have been polite and courtious.
<7> back out then put it on you know
<4> heh
<4> i've only had one "positive" experience with a cop
<7> state trooper too in a residential neighborhood.. crazy
<4> and i would even hesitate to call that positive.
<4> i was speeding, drunk driving.
<4> the guy let me off with a warning.
<4> wtf
<4> that's safe, ***hole :P
<11> NineVolt: well, there is problem number one.. he hsoulda nailed your *** to the wall.
<7> i jumped a car on to the railroad tracks in houston and they let me go i was young and wasted.
<4> **** that they really shouldn't let you go for, they do.
<4> and **** that they really should let you go for, they don't.
<4> it's great :P
<5> Jostein: http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article1633761.ece ... woops
<7> NineVolt but think about it. The stuff they dealwith for 30K a year...
<7> i'd be ****ing with people too
<4> they start at 45k here.
<4> early retirements, crazy nice benefits.
<2> K_F: feeling lucky yet? :P
<4> no education required.
<7> i neer met any well to do police officers
<5> Jostein: huh?
<4> ****, i went to college for 7 years and i'd be happy making 45k right now.
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