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<0> PolarWolf: My work really rocks with that IMO.. My boss actually was very understanding that I wanted to go early to avoid public transport issues.
<1> smsie, eh, not so bad. you?
<2> IceKarma: busy, but quite good. Better busy than bored I guess
<0> PolarWolf: thats why I'm here now ;) Ofcourse he also very well knows that I'm not going to simply skip the hours and make sure those are made, heck, I even do stuff from home 8)
<3> "If you don't have to travel, don't." **** you, I need to get to and from work. What, do we have to stop everything because there's some snowflakes falling?
<2> I want to know why a bit of snow is an excuse not to go to work all of a sudden
<2> the snow isn't any worse than it used to be 15 years ago
<2> if anything, we get it less often
<0> smsie: Well, in my case its simple: public transport might **** up :/
<1> smsie, we've had a rough winter here
<2> Lion-O: that's a reasonable excuse, yes
<0> smsie: wouldn't you know it that they also did? They even cancelled out several trains, god knows why. At times when the snow was already fading out of the picture..
<0> Snow is all going up north (where PW is :)) and all the trains going south are cancelled. Even when in certain places south the snow was already gone ;P
<3> Lion-O: I heard it rains in the south now
<0> PolarWolf: indeed
<3> If I stop driving there had better be no road visible at all anymore
<3> If I still see a strip of tarmac, I drive
<3> And if I had snow tyres, I'd even drive without
<3> I can only remember one day I skipped work because of snowfall
<3> And that was because I couldn't back the car out of the driveway because it got stuck in snow
<3> I tried :)
<0> hack it ;)
<2> IceKarma: you still in .ca?
<3> That was last year, I think
<1> smsie, vancouver.bc.ca, yes
<2> IceKarma: employed currently?
<1> smsie, under-, yes
<2> IceKarma: better than not- :)
<4> and we have no snow this winter
<5> we have too much
<5> -6C here atm and snowing
<1> K_F, pardon me if I laugh at the concept of "Norway" and "too much snow" in one breath ;)
<5> IceKarma: yeah, I'm a summer person, can't stand winter
<5> so I usually lock myself up in my apartment and do everything else during winter
<5> this winter I started writing a book for one...
<1> K_F, yeah, I quite dislike winter as well... this is part of why I live in _Vancouver_, Canada
<6> bloody kleenex
<7> i love winter.
<7> i was at whistler blackcomb last month.
<7> god it's nice up there.
<8> damned vpn crap
<9> Rel
<1> NineVolt, heh, my back yard, sort of
<5> god damn ****ing yanks
<5> I just noticed I've been using american date format all day
<10> you are sick
<10> honestly.
<10> there's NO redeeming factor about that weirdo yank format
<5> IceKarma: computer-wise I use ISO, yes
<5> Jostein: I've been writing 2/8 on all my lecture notes..
<1> K_F, no, I mean, _always_
<5> IceKarma: yeah, the PDF is stored as ISO, but on the note it is just for organizing
<5> lecture, date and pagenr
<5> usually quite abbreviated untill I scan it in and archive it
<5> IceKarma: point being I don't write the year at all
<10> prefix it 2007/ and you are fine :P
<10> you may avoid hell :P
<5> Jostein: hehe, it is scanned and archived as YYYY-MM-DD :)
<5> just interesting when I start doing things like that, not like it is the first time I americanize something
<9> Jostein: middle-endian ;)
<10> hahahaha
<10> Nanuq: nice way of putting it :P
<9> Jostein: I can't take credit for that.
<10> oh well. I liked it
<7> someone has a problem with mm-dd-yy?
<9> anyway, ISO is big endian.
<5> NineVolt: it just shouldn't be used..
<10> NineVolt: its the most retarded date format available.
<10> NineVolt: apart from that, nothing
<9> NineVolt: it can lead to confusion
<7> it can lead to confusion only because you ***holes have alternate formats.
<9> what is 02-01-2007? Feb 1, or Jan 2? :P
<5> the only true format is yyyy-mm-dd
<7> if you would all conform to mm-dd-yy, there would be no confusion.
<10> we have sane formats, wit a logical progression
<7> february first, obviously.
<10> small -> big or big -> small
<7> nobody in their right mind lists the day first.
<10> as opposed to medium -> small -> big
<9> NineVolt: ISO is already a standard. there are more non-yanks. we win.
<5> NineVolt: it is troublesome to sort lexical
<5> NineVolt: one of the greatest advantages of using ISO
<10> I use ISO all the time when it comes to files and such, yeah
<7> the american date format came -way- before any iso standards.
<9> NineVolt: that is supposedly the .ca format, and I see it used time to time
<5> NineVolt: that format uses / and not - though
<7> so if the iso is trying to **** up preexisting standards, don't blame the americans.
<10> NineVolt: the rest of the world does it that way
<9> NineVolt: Yeah, and have you heard of this thing called improvement?
<10> NineVolt: I say its the yanks who are out of their mind
<7> i find mm-dd-yy to be completely intuitive.
<7> listing the day first makes no sense.
<10> explain the logic behind that
<7> the first bit of information you get from the date is effectively meaningless.
<9> Only if you write out the month in full
<5> NineVolt: byt yyyy-mm-dd makes way MORE sense
<7> dates often contain months different than the current month.
<7> which isn't the case for the year.
<9> K_F: especially when you tack on the time
<7> so the year can be left for last, while the month is best placed first.
<10> that makes no sense
<7> yyyy-mm-dd makes sense only from a computational standpoint, if you're doing sorts.
<9> K_F: because it follows order in endianness ;)
<7> from a perspective of human usability, it makes no sense at all.
<5> Nanuq: no, makes sense usability-wise as well
<10> NineVolt: err.. I can read anything by yank dates finew
<9> K_F: Hmm?
<5> Nanuq: then again, I actually have some long-time commitments..
<10> anything BUT yank dates
<5> Nanuq: my bad, wrong nick
<5> s/Nanuq/NineVolt
<10> I realize reading dates is mostly a matter of habbit
<7> heh
<10> but why have a system the is inherently inconsistent?
<7> i can read dates in any format.
<10> NineVolt: 2.8.2007
<7> but with the american format, you get most information out of a date faster.
<10> august or february?
<5> NineVolt: 01/01/01
<9> Jostein: does ISO allow "MM-DD"?
<7> february, clearly.
<5> Nanuq: actually, bad example :p
<10> no
<5> arrgh
<5> NineVolt: 01/02/03
<10> that is august 8th
<7> only if you can't read/write dates.
<10> Nanuq: I think it does if you have a 4-digit year
<10> Nanuq: tagged last
<9> Jostein: what I mean is, when I make notes at $work, I'll specify the date as "02-08"
<5> Jostein: huh, 2nd you mean :)
<10> oh. err sorry. I read that wrong :P
<5> Jostein: my bday..
<10> well.
<10> I guess it is futile
<9> Jostein: MM-DD, just with the YYYY- bit omitted
<10> Americans -insist- on the imperial system being more useful than the metric system
<5> Nanuq: I generally use 2/8 then..
<11> hmmm, debuan with a 2.6.10 kernel.. wonder if an update-dist will screw me
<7> i'm not american, for the record.
<10> why the hell would they prefer a practical date system?
<5> Nanuq: which I found myself doing today, just americanized
<5> Nanuq: hey.. I got the nick correct for once :)
<7> and i find the american system to be most practical.
<9> K_F: heh
<12> does this date thing not reduce to how native toungues have them? whether the day is before or after the month when the date is spoken?
<2> yyyy-mm-dd is the One True Date Order[tm]
<10> Gathond: then obviously the language is retarded too :P
<5> smsie: seconded
<12> 4. august vs august 4.
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