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<0> Jostein: I'm not saying laziness isn't a virtue, but laziness has to be applied with wisdom, or it stop beeing laziness and moves into the area of stupidity
<1> that's not programming
<1> that's stupidity
<1> it will let you hold down a **** job for about a year before someone works out you're an ***hat
<2> I still gonan write my simple program in java and compile to machine code. that way i dont hve to include a JVM in an embedded device which lacks the storage
<3> Lion-O: did I mention I got paid for for making a binary->hex and hex->binary decoder the other day? :P
<4> Muir: wrong.
<2> its a SIMPLE program so java is the right tool for the job considering ....
<2> wrong?
<3> Lion-O: thats those "programmers" you're talkign about
<3> Lion-O: needing consultants for silly stuff like that :P
<1> Muir: the java will be ****ing *huge* compared to the same program in C/C++
<0> Muir: if you think you are going to compile java to native code, you have missunderstood the poit of java.
<4> Muir: do your homework already. Read up on java compilers and the way they work. Why the hell do you think I told you it to be a waste of time ?
<0> Muir: just because something can be done doens't make it a good idea.
<5> Lion-O: mmm... homework ***ignments
<1> oh, you *can* compile java to native code...it just doesn't buy you much
<2> ok ok well i didnt realize it would be larger
<6> There are indeed compilers to create native code from bytecode, but I doubt it'll be more efficient (space wise) than writing the thing in c++ from the getgo
<0> Muir: most applications that "compile java to native code" only really creates an xe that bundles the blooy runtime, or atleast the parts you use, alongside the application
<1> PolarWolf: it's not :)
<2> i see
<4> PolarWolf: far from it.
<6> gcj is a bytecode to native compiler, innit?
<1> yep
<0> PolarWolf: It likely won't be.You will still end up with dependencies on features like a garbage collector and similar
<4> PolarWolf: some time ago there was a huge discussion about this on, I think comp.lang.java or something. Well... After you worked your way through that (very interesting and high leveled) discussion you're cured forever 8)
<6> Lion-O: Haha
<7> hi there, Lion-O, PolarWolf, et al.
<1> wlfshmn: well, kinda. Those are bundled into the binary (bloating it)
<4> yo Viking667
<0> Lion-O: Or you can just ask Epesh, and have him beat you up.
<6> It goes against the idea of Java so I'm against it on principle. It means someone chose the wrong tool for the job again.
<6> And I hate that attitude.
<4> wlfshmn: HA HA HA... I bet that if you ask him that he'll come flying over with his arsenal :P
<6> Viking667: Ey
<3> PolarWolf: indeed
<4> hmm. speaking of which, its been some day that I've seen him on irc.
<4> ey Tama
<3> Lion-O: more than a year? because I cant remember him at all :P
<4> Jostein: no, iirc he's been in here not that long ago. Could be somewhere last year though.
<6> Who, Epesh?
<1> he drops by every blue moon or so to tell us we're all idiots
<6> He hangs around every now and then.
<8> I have a 42oz (1.19kg) bag of chocolate on my desk.
<4> lol; [HellHound] Epesh (pw@polarwolf.users.undernet.org) was last seen changing nicks to PolarWolf on #ipsec 1 day, 2 hours, 29 minutes ago.
<4> PolarWolf: now we're on to you ;-)
<6> Lion-O: Eheh
<3> PolarWolf: heh
<9> Epesh is elsewhere on Undernet
<3> PolarWolf: way to foobar /whowas man
<6> Lion-O: There was some reason for that...
<1> nah, I've seen a photo of Epesh...even PW isn't THAT ugly :P
<9> ran in to him yesterday
<4> smsie: hmm, the one which reminds you of ZZ Top ? ;-)
<1> Lion-O: nope
<0> Epesh still hangs in #java from time to time
<1> Lion-O: the one with the Nose
<9> yeah, and #c++
<4> smsie: then Daph got a whole different picture I guess 8)
<3> wlfshmn: if Im bored I may go there and try to troll him :P
<6> smsie: Hey now, chubbie, I'm not ugly!
<1> Jostein: don't...you *really* wouldn't survive the experience
<9> it's pretty hard to troll Epesh
<6> Speaking of ugly, where's cheeksy?
<1> PolarWolf: chubby? Master of understatement :)
<0> He, I had a pic of epesh up for a while, after I found it in a published newspaper (and not under the FBI most wanted heading either)
<4> PolarWolf: <snicker>, now thats harsh :P
<3> smsie: Im saying it because I know how he responds
<3> smsie: I think he's amsuing
<1> wlfshmn: he had a pic on the website of the magazine he worked for
<6> smsie: As long as you feel happy about yourself :P
<10> morning all
<1> PolarWolf: gee, thanks :P
<0> smsie: it was on the web? I dnd't fiind that, I scanned it out of the rag itself
<6> wlfshmn: Yeah, it was online
<1> wlfshmn: yeah. I don't recall the mag he was working for, but it was on the website
<6> But hey, physical appearance is irrelevant on teh interweb!
<0> JDJ I believe
<6> At least that's what I keep telling myself.
<4> PolarWolf: hmm.. is it? You look like a nice bunch of letters to me. Just too bad about that weird @ in front :P
<6> Lion-O: Hah
<1> http://java.sys-con.com/author/1109Ottinger.htm
<0> he manages theserverside now
<1> there it is
<4> bah :P
<6> Lion-O: There, better?
<4> PolarWolf: spoilsport
<6> Lion-O: What are the "hD" flags in the eggie?
<4> PolarWolf: eew. I don't think those are good flags to have. the D stands for "will be deleted shortly", that I know. The h... hmmm
<4> PolarWolf: who did you purge this time? ;)
<11> When I extract my kernel source, should I have a sourcedir/include/linux/version.h ?
<6> Lion-O: I dunno, I added the "f" flag to uncle Pim's account
<4> jsaacmk: that seems usual, yeah.
<11> what should I do if I don't?
<6> jsaacmk: configure the kernel
<11> oh... geez
<12> undiewet is having spam problems
<4> jsaacmk: hmm, depends. Double check that you didn't got the wrong archive.
<4> Bjprn-: hmm ?
<12> on join spam everytime i join
<11> I got the archive that matches my kernel version
<6> jsaacmk: Copy /proc/config.gz to the kernel source dir, ungzip it as .config and run `make oldconfig`
<10> in here?!
<4> Bjprn-: care to whisper it to me through /msg ?
<6> Hm
<12> Lion-O: it's not specifically to this channel...
<12> Lion-O: i see nothing in whois on what channels they're in..
<4> Bjprn-: aah. Undernut as a whole, I see what you mean.
<11> hmm, I have no /proc/config.gz
<1> jsaacmk: try /boot/config.gz then
<1> it should be there somewhere
<1> unless you have a very braindead distro
<11> no luck
<4> smsie: that depends on the kernel ;) not all kernels store it or do it the debian way.
<6> Or built a kernel yourself
<6> Without a package manager
<4> jsaacmk: then you'll have to configure it from scratch. not that hard, just takes time.
<1> Lion-O: I know
<6> I like how you can tell the kernel to keep a copy of its config in /rpco
<6> err, /proc
<1> Lion-O: most distros DO make config.gz available somewhere though
<11> I just did a updatedb a minute ago and then locate config.gz it didn't find one... just manpages example
<4> smsie: *nod*
<4> jsaacmk: running slackware?
<11> no Ubuntu
<6> Oh. Yeah, Ubuntu is pretty braindead :P
<4> jsaacmk: thats a relief 8) still odd that it didn't appear in the places which smsie suggested.
<4> hmm, I wonder how good the oracle software is.
<0> well, there we go.. one problem bagged..
<13> Anyone here that can help me run Steam with Wine? I've almost done it all, but I get an error: "Steam.exe (main exception): Unable to start Steam Engine: *SteamStartEngine(0x7bace81c) failed with error 1: Failed to open logfile C:\Programfiler\Steam\Steam.log" -Got any ida?
<1> ubuntu it's in /boot
<11> I tried slackware once... couldn't get it to work. I wanted to use strait debian, but I couldn't get the display manager to work... video card is too new or something like taht
<1> /boot/config-<kernel version>
<4> Pjottey: properly configure wine I'd say, also pay more attention to the error message.
<13> Yeah, I saw that now :p
<4> Pjottey: look and *think* first before asking questions about the obvious.
<4> yozGPRS: yo
<3> yozGPRS: I share your pain
<4> yozGPRS: typing through the phone *again* ? ;-)
<7> Pjottey: so, how many feet did you have in your mouth, again?
<14> yo peter
<3> yozGPRS: if your pain is a 4-letter acronym :P
<13> wtf?!
<13> Viking667: Rude?
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