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<0> smsie: there's still some reasonable money to be made in IT but.
<1> CeruleanD: Damn, you must be good ... got any secrets you going to share?
<2> whyzzyrd: yes, I know. I'm making some of it :)
<0> Can someone try an apt-cache search for java-package in sarge for me?
<3> hehehe
<3> "But director, I don't want to have *** anymore, I just want to cuddle..." "Isaac! Damnit, you broke another one!"
<3> But that's the problem whyzzyrd, there's only reasonable money to be made... unlike before, when we could make unreasonably insane amounts, hehe
<0> CeruleanD: sadly
<2> ssta@yaffle:~$ apt-cache search java-package
<2> java-package - utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages
<0> smsie: any idea which repository it's in?
<0> ahh. it's in contrib. thanks
<2> whyzzyrd: main
<2> it is?
<2> oh, yes, it would be
<2> ssta@yaffle:~$ apt-cache show java-package|grep ^Section
<2> Section: contrib/misc
<4> hmm just removed /bin/ls accidently.. what can I do.. I don't seem to have backups of /bin
<0> yoz: what system?
<2> yoz: how the **** do you do that "accidentaly"?
<4> whyzzyrd: debian
<0> yoz: sarge i386?
<4> whyzzyrd: *nod*
<2> yoz: apt-get install --reinstall coreutils
<4> smsie: ****ed arond with integrity check.. in order to test it I crated a file in bin and removed it nbut the wrong one ;)
<0> yoz: /me was just going to say apt-get install --reinstall whicheverpackageitsin.
<4> smsie: thanks for your hint..
<4> whyzzyrd: ;)
<0> yoz: smsie just knows the packages off the top of his head ;-P
<2> yoz: don't delete /bin/ls, it's stupid :)
<2> whyzzyrd: well, it IS a fairly central package
<4> whyzzyrd: yeah =)
<4> smsie: o doubt 8)
<4> s/o/no
<2> yoz: consider mounting / readonly
<2> or consider NOT running "rm /bin/ls"
<2> stupid thing to do :)
<3> Drat, anyone happen to have a link to a short and sweet tutorial on manually sending mail by telnetting into port 25 on a SMTP server?
<3> I used to have one but must have deleted it or it's on another system
<3> Oh nevermind, heh, I found it
<2> CeruleanD: the RFC :)
<3> On microsoft's site, no less
<3> Ah, that would probably work too, lol
<5> CeruleanD: or http://www.yuki-onna.co.uk/email/smtp.html for the short version
<2> HELO blah.org
<2> MAIL FROM: foo@blah.org
<2> RCPT TO: baz@****.com
<2> DATA
<2> this is data
<2> ended by a period
<2> .
<2> what else do you need?
<2> there was a time I know how to do nntp by hand too...but then usenet died and I didn't need to remember
<3> lol, nice
<3> What I need is to find out why it's not working :-D
<2> it generally will tell you why
<3> I finally *finally* got Postfix to load and run with no errors...
<3> And I can run the mail command and send an email and it doesn't error.
<3> No errors in the log file.
<3> But it's not getting t ome.
<3> to me
<2> where are you looking for it?
<2> there's generally a mailserver log
<3> So I did a manual email connecting directly to the mail relay on port 25 (hence the need for the above info).
<3> I'm looking at /var/adm/messages on the webserver in question (Sol 9) and I'm also looking at /var/log/messages on the SMTP relay (Linux-based).
<3> I'm guessing there's also a mail-specific log file
<3> Which I'm looking for now
<3> It's probably in /var/log/mail/errors. :)
<3> oh no, it's in mail/info
<3> WEll, both, but info is offering me more detailed info
<3> Umm... I see, my SMTP relay is also the BIND nameserver for that segment and it looks like BIND crashed.
<3> Some time ago too
<2> no secondary?
<5> Sagoro!
<1> Damn. I'm hungry :(
<1> Hey Sagoro
<3> Secondary? *snickers*
<3> We're too poor for that.
<6> Cynic!
<6> hey waznz
<3> It started out as our disaster recovery site, so it got all our hand-me-down stuff. The aforementioned BIND/SMTP relay server is a P2-300.
<6> too poor for secondary ns?
<6> ****, you could probably get an 8088 to do secondary
<3> heh, tell me about it.
<6> they cost what? US$1 ?
<3> lol, probably get them free if you look around hard enough
<3> Boss is cheap though.
<6> it would be more expensive to give a secondary ns an IP address than it would to actually make an 8088 a secondary ns
<2> CeruleanD: a 486 is MORE than enough for secondary
<3> yar, I know :-/
<6> That's just plain stupid to NOT have a secondary ns
<3> Yes, yes it is.
<3> Our "backup" is 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2
<3> Public DNS servers
<3> Well, it works now... I changed the smtp relay server's resolv.conf to include the 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 servers.
<3> ARGH! Whole new problem. I'll take it to Linux Help though. I hate the weird ones.
<7> No secondary ns should be an offense IMO. In Holland you can't host a domain unless you have 2 DNS servers.
<5> Lion-O: same in .nz
<5> it's blasphemy, i tells ya!
<1> I have seen two IP addresses ***igned to the same machine to avoid that however ...
<7> Even joker.com (which makes money out of all this) refuses you to use your own dns servers unless you specify 2. But they prefer 3 8)
<5> waznz: asking for trouble ;P
<1> (a fwap to the side of the head and a second machine installed fixed that issue though...)
<1> That and the machine dying ... that was funny ... the managers had an interesting way of looking at risk management
<1> They figured that as the machine had been in service for 8 years, it wouldn't give any problems ....
<7> utterly boring. /me gets something to drink
<3> I'm completely in the wrong line of work. I should go try to be a chef again
<8> if you like 14 hour days and little $, go for it.
<3> Yeah, but it's *easy*. I mean, it's hard work, but little brain power (unless you get to be a head chef at a fancy restaurant, but then you make big bucks anyway so it's more worth it)
<3> But I mean just being a line chef.
<3> You cook the food, arrange it on the plate, send it out. No problem.
<3> It's a helluva lot easier than system admining Unix systems.
<3> I'm simply not smart enough for it.
<8> I think its a good thing that you're coming to terms with your limitations, and I agree that being a chef in that capacity is far less (mentally) stressful.
<8> I wish you good luck, but tell me you're going to be working.
<3> Thanks much. I might actually try to open a restaurant. I put it off when this IT job came up, but now I'm thinking I might try to go through with it after all.
<8> opening a restaurant is ****ing hell on earth.
<0> D-side: I bet
<8> You need more $ than you can imagine up front, kiss your social life goodbye for at least the first 4 months, and maybe, eventually you'll turn a profit by the first year
<3> Yeah, that's pretty much what I expected, hehe
<8> i don't count "in the black" as turning a profit either.
<8> my dad's a chef, and i've seen him go through utter ****. when i got older, i even got shat on a few times myself because of it
<9> I want one of these http://www.qualstar.com/146074.htm
<3> Got roped into working with him?
<0> CeruleanD: Experience in any field comes only with time. More of us here rely on experience, and knowing where to look for something than carry everything round in their heads.
<3> Or for his restaurant I mean?
<8> you know when you're a kid and you tell your father "i want to be just like you when i grow up daddy!" and everyone thinks its cute? He didn't. I knew from an early age I wouldn't ever follow in his footsteps. he would have killed me.
<8> CeruleanD: roped nothing, i wanted to help.
<3> Yeah, but it just seems like my brain doesn't work the same way most people's do. I find instructions, I follow instructions to the letter, and it rarely ever works. I ask around and it works for everyone else, so obviously I've got some sort of high-level dyslexia or something.
<3> Ah ouch
<8> i'm not trying to shoot down your goals or dreams or anything, but i'm saying i've seen it go bad, and its the bottom of life's barrel.
<8> so. good luck!
<3> yeah
<0> CeruleanD: following instructions blindly never works.
<0> CeruleanD: you have to understand *why* you're doing them.
<8> yeah definately tell us where you're cooking.
<0> CeruleanD: this understanding comes with time. Unluckily, people seem to expect one to know everything, all the time.
<3> My friend owns a 13-unit building in Lawrence, MA, 4 of the units are commercial, and the one on the corner is a bar which doesn't serve food... so I was thinking of opening a restaurant next door that does "snack" foods with a tex-mex flair (I'm thinking of calling it Quesadilla Villa).
<8> want my opinion?
<3> Shoot
<8> if you want it badly enough, go for it. BUT
<8> dont sink your life's savings away into it. dont bet on it. i've seen it happen too many times.
<3> whyzzyrd: Yeah, I understand
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