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<0> Therefore, I inquired about it
<1> There's the old stupidity about grub vs XFS, although I can't imagine any reason to care about that.
<1> Why distributions would *ever* use grub over lilo is beyond me.
<1> Not a single thing grub has over lilo is *anything* Joe Moron should ever even know about, let alone need.
<2> mwilson: some might say the same about emacs over vi.
<0> mwilson: Personal choice
<3> /msg x access #linux shadur
<1> Personally, I'd think distributions would at some point get around to making it impossible for Joe Moron to do things like replace kernels.
<1> So far, it hasn't happened.
<4> Dj-DraqLa: Don't /msg me.
<5> mandriva or debian?
<0> mwilson: Joe Moron is none of your concern nor should you let it be
<6> mexxx: whatever you like best.
<5> what is the best
<5> for home
<6> mexxx: depends.
<6> mexxx: www.distrowatch.org, STFW.
<0> mwilson: And frankly, stock kernels don't always do what you want them to do.
<5> for home uses
<4> reallappy: When Joe Moron comes in here after he ****ed his system over, he becomes our concern.
<1> reallappy: Unlikely.
<3> okey Shadur
<0> Shadur: He becomes a problem with a simple solution.
<5> maybe suse
<5> )
<0> mwilson: Depends on what you want to do.
<5> or windows xp
<4> reallappy: And since my patience is wearing very thin tonight, I'm inches away from applying that solution to you.
<0> mwilson: For instance, stock kernels lacking bcm43xx for laptop users
<6> reallappy: hmmm.. Actually, when done right then a stock kernel is all you need. Right now I'm using one on Solaris (not much choice) but also on my Ubuntu. Pretty good.
<2> reallappy: bad example, it's a **** driver that doesn't work on all versions of the bcm4300 chips
<7> okay, $client is a tattoo parlor, and I am doing their site...including a photo gallery of pictures of all the artists work, as well as of the artists themselves... total pic count is going to be about 200. I need to think of a good way to do this, w/o hard coding 200 pictures and laytouts into this site
<5> hm
<5> mandriva is on 5 place?
<5> )
<0> atompngn: It works on the majority of bcm43xx chips in HP, Compaq and Acer laptops
<6> mexxx: I suggest you fix your keyboard, you're becoming annoying.
<4> Dj-DraqLa: If you have an actual question, now's the time to ask it. If you don't, now's the time to leave
<5> maybe i should install unbuntu for my first linux install
<2> reallappy: no, it doesn't. Only recently has it been included with an alleged stable kernel.
<1> reallappy: I have to admit that I have no interest in wireless on Linux, so I don't pay a lot of attention to it, but is that a kernel driver, or some lame-*** paste-on?
<7> any ideas?
<2> reallappy: I have an HP laptop
<5> peoples
<0> atompngn: I can give you the entire range of compaq and HP laptops that use the exact same chip
<7> w/o using a database, btw
<5> will linux run on slow system?
<2> reallappy: I understand that it may work for some. But it's not a complete, working, stable driver.
<7> mexxx, it will walk on a slow system
<1> If I were going to be worrying about wireless on a laptop, and not using a Mac, I'd be running oBSD on it.
<0> mwilson: Need a 2.6.14 and above kernel for it
<1> Certainly not Linux.
<8> my previous hp laptop had one of those bcm43xx chips, I just used ndiswrapper at the time, now I've got my inspiron 9300 with a fully functional intel 2915 adapter builtin
<0> atompngn: And neither is the ndiswrapper substitute
<1> reallappy: That's not an answer to my question. Is it, or is it not, included in the official kernel?
<6> mwilson: Granted (grub vs lilo). In fact, I'm slowly getting a little tired of grub. The only "advantage" I see is that its relatively easy (only edit menu.lst) but thats about it. When it crashes (remove partition) its certainly not much better than Lilo. I've seen it barf over "can't find 2nd part" too ;/
<0> mwilson: I believe it was recently commited
<5> Steakk why? winxp run great
<2> reallappy: no, and I don't expect my distribution to support ndiswrapper either. It happens to work in my situation.
<6> in fact, I think grub doesn't allow the usage of <end> to get to the end of the OS list.
<1> reallappy: "Recently?" Then you really have no basis, when you talk about a 'stock" kernel.
<0> mwilson: I believe the sequence of events was it was in the kernel, pulled, and readded
<0> And it's back in 2.6.17-rc2
<1> In any case, I have zero sympathy for the "my hardware isn't supported" whine.
<1> reallappy: Which is irrelevant, as it's not a released kernel.
<1> Whether or not your hardware is supported is no one's fault but your own.
<0> mwilson: It's not irrelevent seeing as the likes of Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora all included it in a kernel upgrade.
<2> bcm43xx, was first included in >= 2.6.17
<2> realappy, it's not included in Debian.
<1> reallappy: <shrug> None of who's kernel's I'd ever use, even on a bet.
<1> Although Debian's a little better now that they've gotten rid of Xu.
<0> atompngn: Actually, it's in testing
<0> As well as unstable
<1> reallappy: Also irrelevant.
<2> reallappy: last time I checked testing/unstable are not for production use.
<1> reallappy: Incompetent people who use testing or unstable deserve whatever happens to them.
<0> mwilson: Irrelevant
<0> atompngn: It's been in Ubuntu since Breezy
<0> And is currently in Dapper
<1> reallappy: Hardly. Someone who thinks they should be using testing or unstable for production use needs to be put out of everyone else's misery.
<2> reallappy is irrelevant.
<7> anyone know a win32 app to batch-resize pictures?
<1> Steakk: imagemagick.
<7> mwilson, for win32?
<2> yup
<0> mwilson: Irrelevant. Joe User isn't necessarily in production
<1> Steakk: netpbm is also available for win32.
<1> reallappy: Of course he is.
<2> thank you god
<1> I downloaded Dapper to see what all the hoorah was about... I was utterly unimpressed. It's like "oh, Gnome, useless", and move on.
<9> sorry, didn't mean to step on anyone's balls, but reading that word really made me wanna throw up after instance number 35 or so.
<10> siglite: It didn't start here
<9> reality_: you presume that I care.
<9> i just got sick of seeing the word.
<11> Hi, my problem is how create a drm protection for audio in linux. Enyone ?
<9> I've been dealing with lawyers for the past 36 hours. Any version or derivative of the word "relevance" makes me want to kill.
<1> vircuser: Who cares?
<10> siglite: Who did you kill this time?
<11> I care
<9> reality_: in the US, we have this thing, it's called the 5th amendment.
<9> vircuser: you want to implement DRM in linux?
<6> vircuser: then buy a product supporting DRM.
<1> ost: But we don't.
<6> ost: I suggest you stick to Windows' own media format.
<12> no , I want to add the protection in linux, for mobile phones
<10> siglite: You know I'm in the US
<6> ost: you're clueless.
<9> ost: I think that my default answer to someone wanting to implement DRM in an open-source environment is... "please go **** a goat scrotum. Bill Gates will license you one Goat for $2750USD."
<2> ...and how many CAL's will you be needing today?
<9> hahah
<1> I have no problem whatsoever with people who want to implement DRM. It's very easy for me to simply not buy whatever product they think I need.
<9> mwilson: indeed.
<2> Pipe it through rot13, should be sufficient
<9> mwilson: but I'd say it's pretty counter OSS by nature.
<9> s/pretty/pretty much/
<12> ok , openipmp is a open source implementation, hmm
<12> of drm
<9> ost: aaaaand?
<1> siglite: <shrug> I also lose zero sleep on whether or not DRM is implemented in media.
<12> hmm I was wandering if enyone have tested openipmp
<10> You'd think and open standards based DRM would be pretty easy to byp***
<13> **** razors are expensive
<9> mwilson: I agree. Free market all the way.
<1> reality_: It being implemented in a standard manner doesn't mean you have whatever key is necessary. Witness gnupg.
<8> fredk: what did you get one of those new 5 blade gilettes or whatever? :P
<12> yes, but the mainstrem wouldent care
<9> Libolt: hahah
<13> Libolt, mach 3 ninja edition or some ****
<1> siglite: Stuff like the broadcast flag makes me laugh.
<8> heh I stick to a regular 2 blade gilettes myself, I can't see a reason for anymore blades
<10> mwilson: However, over the past week or so, wmv and aac have both been able to be stripped of DRM
<14> Libolt: what? You're not gonna try the Schick Millennium when it comes out? ;)
<1> reality_: <shrug> I've never seen any reason to buy anything from iTunes.
<9> Libolt: I'm anxiously awaiting the 10 blade gilette. It'll double as a wood chipper or something.
<8> Ka-bar: what's it gonna have a thousand blades? :)
<14> The Gillette Fargo
<8> siglite: no ****
<9> I haven't bought anything from itunes either.
<9> evar.
<1> reality_: So whether AAC has DRM, or not, is of no interest.
<10> Neither have I
<9> they can **** my ***hole.
<15> yeah, i don't have any itunes
<15> i could give two ****s about it
<15> i once bought an itunes gift certificate for someone. but he paid me back.
<9> I guess we don't get to wear the cool film-school gl***es and act all pretentious.
<10> Same guy who broke DVD encryption did the Itunes one
<15> i mostly dislike pretentious hippies
<1> Did the first one. Didn't another group do the second one?
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