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<0> Anyone here running 2.6.x kernels on sarge in production environments? any caveats there?
<1> phatlip: I know this works, because I bloody well use Postfix and do this myself.
<2> Tron, oh! i thought that would create a loop, thanks mate.
<3> dude
<3> Yanni got arrested
<1> Comet: ?
<3> domestic dispute with his girlfriend
<3> hahaha
<3> who would of thought..
<3> new age composer Yanni ya know?
<1> Nope.
<3> he's huge
<3> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060307/ap_on_en_mu/yanni_arrested;_ylt=A9FJqZ8LGg1EWGYApQd34T0D;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--
<3> mug shot
<3> LOL
<1> *sigh*
<4> hehe
<2> his poor enter key
<1> Definitely the Day of The Morons today.
<1> (with pasta in a ranch style mayonnaise)
<1> According to the blurb on the pack.
<1> In fact I think I'm going to eat it right now. I'm feckin hungry.
<1> Mm. Nah I'll wait another 30 minutes.
<5> To increae the appetite?
<1> To wait until mid-day.
<4> it is 34 minutes after mid-day here
<6> hi *
<7> argument list too long
<6> exel: that was yesterday's conversation ;^)
<1> echo * | xargs echo "Greetings to you "
<1> Bahahaha.
<6> Tron: and then i'd get permbanned ;^)
<6> say, is anyone here into digital cameras?
<7> echo -n "hi, "; ls -1 | while read user; do echo -n "$user "; done; echo
<7> kickban-proof :)
<8> hi, *
<8> that's much simpler
<7> daakman: argument list too long
<8> haha
<8> if you only knew how much I have been dealing with that over the last week
<7> cleaning up after qmail's *** per chance? :)
<8> I haven't looked to see if that's a limitation across the board, but I never ran into that with Solaris
<7> I think it's an undefined limit, but every OS has one I think.
<7> probably has a lot to do with how argv[] is structured internally.
<8> exel: Not cleaning up after qmail...it's all be in scripts
<6> IMHO this is a silly limitation that doesn't need to exist
<6> and it's been a while, but i'm under the impression that the Hurd does not have it (yeah OK, i know it'll never be finished)
<7> getting back to Solaris, SunOS5.9 has a _SC_ARG_MAX sysconf value that controls the maximum, but it _does_ have one.
<8> ahh, ok
<7> I cant' come up with a really plausible reason for the limits beyond 'everybody does it like that, it's Unix'.
<7> which is a lame argument in my book so I have to sid with mod- on this
<1> Still it is damn annoying to want to remove all files from a directory via "rm *" and get "rm: argument list too long."
<7> s/sid/side/
<7> tron: yeah it is.
<7> although there are side-effects of not limiting this
<8> I agree
<7> if it's 1 million files, you could run into swap trying to delete a directory and grin the box to a halt.
<8> All too often, I have had to do for i in *; do rm $i; done
<7> s/grin/grind/
<1> Makes me ask "What? What. The. ****? Who CARES how many files are in this directory? I just want you to get them the **** outta my face!"
<7> daakman: which is weird, because 'for' also has the max argument limit.
<8> Yea, odd
<1> Daakman: "echo * | xargs rm" is MUCH faster.
<7> daakman: I always have to screw around with "ls | while read filename" or "find -type f | bla"
<7> xargs is also cool for this kind of stuff, yeah
<8> Tron: hrmm, good idea...probably saves on CPU cycles too
<6> Tron: hm, i don't see how what you just wrote is different than "rm *"
<1> mod-: Because that'll break with a gazillion files in a directory.
<9> find / -type f | sort | egrep -o '^.*/.*[-_\.]' | uniq -c | sort -n
<9> :)))
<1> mod-: Whereas "echo * | xargs rm" won't.
<6> Tron: hm, why won't it?
<1> mod-: Trust me, it doesn't.
<6> Tron: "*" still has to be expanded on the echo command line
<1> echo must be... different, somehow. All I know is, it works.
<7> echo is a built-in
<0> mod-: no newlines..
<1> Aha, that's the one.
<6> exel: yeah, i was just thinking of that
<6> hm, still, xargs must be doing some magic, like invoking rm multiple times
<7> mod: it does, that's what xargs is for
<1> mod-: Bingo!
<1> mod-: It IS magic ;) It's like you typing "rm thisfile0001" to "rm thisfile$gazillion" ;)
<6> exel: ah yes, i see now that GNU xargs has a default of --max-chars=20k or something
<8> I've seen that error with about 10k - 12k files in a dir
<6> Daakman: from what i can recall, something like 32k / 64k / 128k (can't remember exactly though)
<6> Tron: i can't say i share your "i don't care how it works as long as it does" mentality ;^)
<1> mod-: After exisitng on this planet for 36 years, I can honestly say "Trust me, it makes life a HELLUVA lot simpler." :)
<6> heh
<10> hi *
<10> how you doing?
<11> -me
<11> .me
<11> !me
<1> Wtf was that all about then I wonder.
<8> *shrug*
<1> "Ice... to see you. *blam*" </McBane>
<1> tavi
<8> tavi
<12> rikki
<10> hi TBT
<8> ***essed value on my house has gone up US$75,000 in the last year...which means my property taxes are gonna go through the roof
<4> heard someone else who said that as well, had gone up 250k
<4> Daakman: USA?
<8> Yes
<13> Daakman: Joy. Ofcourse, if it means an actually increase in the expected salesprice of the house by atleast that much, then it's easier to stomach
<4> Daakman: something tell me they found a nice little way to re-calculate within current regulations
<13> Although on general principle, I don't like taxes on property and other stuff I have aquired with taxed money..
<8> wlfshmn: not planning on selling in the next few years...I don't mind it going up before I sell, but not 5 years before I sell :)
<1> Daakman: There's a revalutaion of house prices planned for sometime next year, which will put property taxes for a helluva lot of folks in the UK sky high.
<8> Tron: ****
<1> Daakman: I plan to have sold my property and have ****ed off out of the UK well before that happens.
<13> Tron: Here they already did that. Nearness to water raises the value, and price is otherwise based on recent sales in the area, if any, or expected sales price, otherwise
<13> Tron: There is a ****load more regulations ofcourse, but broadly thats it
<1> wlfshmn: *nod*
<8> Tron: Where ya headed? Some South American country where you can live like a king?
<1> Daakman: Japan
<13> Tron: Tax itself is an anual 1% of estimated value, I seem to recall
<8> Ahh, so you're gonna live like the Japanese
<13> He is planning on becoming the local Gaijin outcast
<1> wlfshmn: Heheh
<13> a .eu nerd entering a country where nerddom has such insane requirements that he will actuallylook well-adjusted ;)
<1> wlfshmn: I'll just have to make myself Useful to the locals. Or bribe some of 'em. Whatever is effective. ;)
<8> Of course...with the higher ***essed value, it'll enable me to get a home equity line of credit to help with some things
<8> I have about 100k in equity now
<8> maybe more
<1> I bought our house for about 89,000 GBP, and they're now selling for about 219,000 GBP.
<8> I bought mine for US$250,000, I can sell it now for US$375,000
<1> Its not as if the house is like a ****ing castle or anything, either.
<8> Yeah, neight is mine
<1> It's just the way the London market has progressed since the year 2000.
<8> Mine's only a 4 bedroom, 2.5 bath, 2000 sq ft home
<8> townhouse/row house
<8> I get to go buy a new washer for my house this afternoon too
<8> joy!
<12> only?
<10> Tron: in romanian averyone who invested in houses or fields, 5 years ago now got like 1000 more back
<10> s/romanian averyone/romania everyone
<10> seems this is another "cant spell" day
<12> property value doubled in nj over the lats 5 years
<12> last even.
<10> i mean, dude bought some terrains with 2-3 euros/sq meter and now sold it for 100 euro/sq meter
<10> it went mad
<8> I sure wish I woulda bought my house 10 years ago when it was built...they were selling for US$125,00 then...selling for $375,000 now...
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