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<0> that was all his personal files... so it was there when i made a backup, after he didn't have access anymore...
<0> but not now.
<0> so there are a total of four people besides me who could've deleted it
<0> i put that in my report as well...
<1> jesus dude
<2> Holy shizzat.
<1> that's a quagmire.
<0> $pres calls $boss on it, $boss admits to deleting it for his boss... $pres sends him home
<1> I hope you have a solid chain of custody on that drive.
<0> $pres tells me to "find out what the **** it is" in that word file
<0> siglite: yep
<0> so, the file is pretty much what the title says, "personal insurance"
<1> because it's very likely getting ready to be the subject of litigation.
<0> about 18 pages of it, matter of fact
<0> so i had a 10am meeting today off campus that my $boss was supposed to be at. $boss said this a.m. he wasn't gonna be there because he didn't know if he worked for us anymore or not
<3> probably finding loopholes
<2> "It was his personal insurance. And now... Well... Now it's MY personal insurance, bitch."
<0> fortunately, $pres jumped his *** real hard, but let him stay
<0> so i still have the same boss, which is good
<0> and that's about the majority of it
<0> siglite: it already is
<0> siglite: in his personal files i got the name of his attorney
<2> So what kind of personal insurance did he have?
<3> translated "WE OWN YOUR *** NOW!"
<0> CancerMan: pornographic emails, $pres calling him names in e-mail, bunch of **** like that
<1> prometheus_: better go ahead and pull a backup tape or ten out of rotation, and get copies of the exchange store and stuff.
<1> prometheus_: rule 26 and 34 have a lot of **** to say about preservation.
<0> siglite: i have a copy here in my safe and a copy in the safe at work
<0> siglite: yeah, fortunately i spent about six hours hanging out with an fbi agent a few months ago talking about just this ****
<4> Ahhh...have an apt-mirror at home is so nice when it comes time to rebuild a machine
<1> prometheus_: yeah. the discovery request will likely be very very broad, including the drives of the pres, and everyone else involved.
<0> siglite: *nod*
<1> prometheus_: good chance your drive will be sobpena'd.
<2> prometheus: Was it Bart? :P
<5> re
<0> siglite: from my machine?
<1> prometheus_: blood frozen yet?
<1> prometheus_: yep.
<0> siglite: heh, no
<3> hi OldMonk
<0> siglite: why's that?
<5> XyZzY
<3> prometheus_: your pron of course :P
<5> upgraded and suddenly konsole stopped working
<1> prometheus_: you were involved in all of the activites. If I'm $canned_douche's lawyer, you're going to be SERIOUS target for discovery. "whose agenda is he aligned with?"
<6> got a question guys
<5> kill x, re-login and it's fine again
<0> oh, so my boss knows now that i did this "examination" of course, too, and knows that i'm the one that told them it was probably him that deleted this files
<2> Uh oh.
<0> OldMonk: reboot =)
<0> siglite: makes sense
<5> prometheus_: already done that once
<6> tcl is installed but for some reason its not finding the headers Im running fc 5 standard station install
<0> siglite: i really think the lawsuit is b.s., though
<1> prometheus_: most of them are.
<7> what lawsuit...
<0> siglite: 99% chance this guy's gonna take a check
<1> prometheus_: but in all honesty, you might want to have a third party come in and grab an image of your ****.
<7> the one where idiot boss ****s up?
<0> siglite: we have some really good legal counsel, though =)
<5> DocWolf: what do you need tcl for anyway?
<1> prometheus_: because buddy, if anyone in that organization will face accusations of spoliation, bingo, you're it.
<0> siglite: hadn't thought of that, thanks.
<5> it's such a ghastly language
<6> compiling eggy
<0> siglite: *nod*
<5> ah, i thought so
<6> lol
<5> DocWolf: go away, we don't like eggies or their handlers here
<3> life-> prometheus_ = Living hell?
<6> wtf
<5> DocWolf: it's the way we are
<0> XyZzY: pretty much, yeah
<0> wouldn't be so bad if i didn't have to include **** that got my boss a hair from being fired
<0> though they were promote me to his position if he did, i later heard heh
<6> thanks for nothing ***hole I thought you would help me but aparent I was wrong
<5> ****, i didn't even get a chance to give him his money back!
<8> I am on 43things.com and agreed to answer questions about getting a tattoo, since i have several. Just got asked this "This email is being sent to people willing to answer questions about Get a tattoo, including you! adrianator asked this question:
<8> This is sorta related... I want a tattoo but im not 18 yet.. so i draw on my hands and arms with sharpie all the time.. does the ink really soak thru ur skin and kill ur brain cells"
<1> prometheus_: yeah, dude, you were and still are in a ****ed up situation.
<8> Apparently the answer is "yes".
<0> siglite: it ****s, majorly
<0> apparently my boss isn't pissed at me, though, which helps quite a bit
<1> prometheus_: here's my take on it, just from a philosophical point of view.
<1> prometheus_: I call it like I see it 100% of the time. Nine times out of ten, honesty and integrity will carry you through. 10% of the time, you're going to get ****ed for it. But IMO, that's just fine with me.
<1> my honesty and integrity have been killing me for about a year now.
<1> I'm sitting on a situation that would certainly make national news. Have been for a year.
<1> I fear something terrible has been swept under the rug.
<0> **** that... this **** here's bad enough for me
<7> siglite, the ultimate g0at-pr0n collection?
<1> a person in a position of great power doing something very very bad.
<5> siglite: sounds like SOP to me
<1> it's an ethical dilemma though.
<0> siglite: see, that's where i was at last night...
<1> because, I agreed to non disclosure up front.
<1> yet, nothing's happening
<9> wow
<0> "do i be loyal to $boss and leave this little paragraph out of the report, or do i include it knowing that he could get fired?"
<1> which says that disclosure would be "the right thing"
<9> a job entirely dedicated to being an mta engineer
<0> since $boss has saved my ***
<5> i don't think NDA's cover ethical issues
<0> siglite: signed nda, did investigation, found $bad_****?
<1> OldMonk: yeah, but my integrity as a security engineer and forensic analyst are tied very tightly to keeping my mouth shut
<0> siglite: anonymous reporting?
<1> prometheus_: I may have to go that route. But I'd have to find a reporter actually willing to go to jail for me.
<7> NDA's don't cover criminal activity (check with a lawyer)
<5> precisely
<0> siglite: talked to company legal?
<1> because I flat ****ing guarantee that anyone in the media will get hauled into court rikitik
<1> prometheus_: no
<1> company's been ****ish about providing it.
<5> OTOH, just don't fret yourself, take the money and run
<7> contact DoJ if you suspect illegal ****...
<1> dogbert2: well, that's the thing.
<1> dogbert2: DoJ has the ball.
<10> siglite: no nda can cover illegal things...
<7> siglite, then they need to do something :)
<1> and it's just sitting. Nothing's happened. So if I go public, I could blow an investiation. Or, maybe it's been swept under the rug, or maybe DoJ is just bungling things.
<7> pfft
<1> god knows DoJ's capable of ****ing **** up.
<0> amen
<1> prometheus_: so who's left in your dept? You?
<7> of course :)
<0> siglite: heh, all of us are still here (five of us)
<1> prometheus_: are all the bosses gone?
<0> though i was 100% sure my boss was canned
<0> but they decided not to today
<1> wow
<0> siglite: my boss's boss was the only one that got canned
<1> but wasn't it your boss that destroyed evidence?
<0> yeah
<1> lol
<0> but he didn't know it was evidence, actually
<1> hahaha, it may not be today, it may not be tomorrow, but I hope his resume is polished.
<0> mike called him and basically it was like "hey i have a folder that has some personal files in it, could you delete it for me?", and $boss, being a good friend, did.
<0> to his credit, at the time he didn't know what was going on
<1> maybe
<0> this was on the morning he was fired, maybe 20 minutes later, actually
<3> it is the DOJ?
<3> yeah they proved that a coupla a years ago
<7> XyZzY...gov't IT is ****ed up (generally) :)
<0> see, until today, $boss didnt know i was doing any of this ****
<1> prometheus_: was the boss aware of the termination? had to be
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