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<0> Tron: the gubment ****ed up.
<1> OldMonk: uh, wrong
<2> D-side: No no I'm extremely well. Physically.
<1> the personal data of 26 million vets got stolen
<3> ah, right
<1> not a half a million
<2> Vets? Animal doctors?
<1> veterans
<2> Ah okay.
<2> Veterans of what?
<3> animal veterans
<1> the us military
<0> Tron: military service
<4> vets
<2> Ah. SO anyone who has done any kind of military service becomes a veteran?
<4> cornvets
<1> Tron: by technical definition, yes
<3> was shrub's data stolen too?
<2> siglite: I always thought veterans were the ones who had seen action and managed to live to tell the tale.
<1> Tron: combat veterans
<1> Tron: what's what you're describing.
<2> Yep. Pretty much what I thought.
<1> but the legal definition in .us of "veteran" is someone who served in .mil.
<2> siglite: There have actually been 26 million Americans who have seen action?
<1> nope
<1> see the legal definition
<0> oh **** im reading cnn.com's latest post on it: "data theft includes active-duty personnel"
<2> Ooookay then. Now we are getting somewhere. :)
<1> D-side: *nod*
<0> Tron: at this rate, it might as well be 26mil
<1> lol, or will be soon, huh?
<2> WOuld that include SPecial FOrces and the like?
<0> my god, info on vets discharged since '75?
<1> Tron: special forces are part of the us military, yes
<1> D-side: yes, anyone who got a DD214 (realease from active duty) after 1975
<1> D-side: it is a honkin ****load of people.
<2> siglite: And, um, anyone working undercover in some place where if found out they would eb in deep ****, perhaps?
<1> Tron: fortunately, people working sensitive operations, thier duty stations don't reflect where they really ar.
<2> There must be some people working for the military who infiltrate "places".
<2> siglite: Ah well, that's at least something.
<1> it may say something like "detached TAD Dept. Of State, 420 constitution boulevard washington DC" but they were really sitting in a smelly flat in downtown beijing with a pair of binoculars and some crypto gear.
<2> *grin*
<1> though
<1> there is a serious national security issue that I've never heard anyone bring up.
<1> some sensitive duty stations *are* listed.
<1> and imagine if you're the govt of china and you've got that list
<1> the first thing I'd do is grep for US Navy && scotland
<1> and I'd get a list of everyone who ever served at the boomer base in scotland
<1> someone there is hard up for some cash and is willing to talk. someone's pissed at uncle sam AND needs money. The law of averages works in thier favor with that much data.
<0> no kidding
<5> siglite: You do forensic work, no?
<1> and that's just one example
<1> PolarWolf: yes
<0> lets string up the idiot who took that **** home.
<0> thats treason, no? :)
<1> D-side: let's string up his whole ****ing dept.
<5> siglite: Ideas on how to recoved data from a FAT formatted disk which used to be ext2?
<0> this calls for a firing squad
<5> s/recoved/recover/
<1> PolarWolf: yeah, likely, the ext2 file system is still intact
<2> siglite: The Suspicious Person in me is thinking that taking the data home then having the data stolen is far too much of a coincidence given the nature of the data.
<1> PolarWolf: there'll be a byte combination (can't remember off the top of my head) that marks the start of the ext2 fs. It's probably still there.
<5> siglite: Partly at least, I've also put some files on the fat FS
<0> Tron: you can BET thats being considered
<1> PolarWolf: it should also be offset from 0,0,0 by a specific distance. but I'd have to RTFM to find the combination and offset
<2> D-side: Either the guy has been fantastically unlucky that someone chose the precise wrong moment to steal that laptop, or it was a crooked deal.
<5> siglite: Hrm. There seems to be some free winduhs tool which can do this.
<5> siglite: Too bad I don't have windows handy on this box
<1> PolarWolf: there probably is. non-free tools certainly have the capability. Check FTK docs
<0> Tron: i tend to blame idiocy over malice.
<1> PolarWolf: good chance that FTK has utilities you need.
<2> PolarWolf: Law Enforcement would use a tool called "EnCase" (I think) to recover data forensically.
<2> PolarWolf: Which costs an AWFUL lot of money.
<1> have a license of it right here. It's about $5500USD/seat
<2> Ouch.
<1> the feds have another tool, clearcase or something like that.
<1> but civies can't get it.
<1> it's rumored to be ****ing awesome though.
<2> Is it better than encase?
<2> Ah
<5> Hrmz, I'm sure it can be done in a less complex way :P
<1> I mean, encase is pretty kick***
<1> but a lot of what I do with encase, I can also do with FTK
<2> siglite: I looked at the website once.
<5> Yeah. Except it costs $1000
<5> I'd try a free tool under windows first :P
<6> siglite: you see the latest about that VA id theft thing?
<2> PolarWolf: How much is the data on that filesystem worth? :)
<5> Tron: Little
<1> schitzo: yeah
<1> schitzo: we were just talking about that.
<7> siglite, Rational ClearCase is a disaster
<5> It's actually one specific file I'm after
<2> s/talking/ranting/ ;)
<5> Anyway, I'll have a look when I get back
<6> siglite: ah, been in meetings at the mother ship
<7> siglite, in fact, all of Rational's products that I've been forced to endure are disasters
<8> anyone fancy the Kingston beer festival in a couple of weeks?
<8> 23-24 June
<1> schitzo: and I proclaimed my willingness to jump onboard any cl*** action that rolls this way
<8> was pretty decent last year
<8> anyone Londonish I mean
<1> Liandrin: it might not be clearcase that I'm thinking of
<1> I can't remember the name of the fedzors forensic tool
<2> smsie: Haha! Those are the precise dates which the London offices are going to be moved into the new premises :)
<4> Extra Extra GNU/Hurd 1.0 released... read all about it: http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2006060702526OSCY
<8> or anyone further afield is welcome...
<8> Tron: an excellent excuse then! We'll see you there :)
<2> smsie: Heheheheh
<4> HURD = Windows Vista
<8> Tron: is any of Russ's "linux go out" things on this week?
<2> smsie: Lemme check.
<2> smsie: You in a drinkin mood then?
<8> Tron: well, I'm not on call. I might be persuaded to venture out either tomorrow or Friday certainly
<3> where's rhowe? he's not back here after the wedding?
<8> is he married already?
<2> OldMonk: Nah. I'm under the impression he's out getting drunk at the moment.
<8> that l*** must be ****ing pregnant
<2> smsie: Today. At 10am
<1> maybe it's clearview
<2> smsie: No I don't think it's a case of biology, more a race against HM Immigration Service :)
<8> Tron: yeah, I gathered that :)
<3> she's asian?
<2> OldMonk: Chinese
<7> siglite, ClearView is another Rational product, I think
<3> figures
<2> OldMonk: So Russ is now married to a Chinese, and I'm married to a Japanese ;)
<8> OldMonk: she's marrying russ. Of *course* she'#s Chinese. HE doesn't admit that ANY other type of woman is even remotely desirable
<2> smsie: There's a Lonix meet tomorrow evening.
<2> Date: Thursday 8 Jun 2006
<2> Time: 6pm
<2> Place: The Printworks,113/117 Farringdon Road, London, EC1R 3HJ
<3> so there's this russell peters comedian, who talks about inter-racial marriages.
<8> Tron: cool, I'll do that then
<8> Tron: you be there?
<2> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=EC1R+3HJ&spn=0.005,0.02&hl=en
<3> if t cuban chap marries an icelandic woman, they'll produce little ice-cubes
<2> smsie: it'd be better if it was on a Friday. Why the **** do they always pick a Thursday?
<1> aaah!
<1> iLook
<2> smsie: Saturdays are for hangover recovery at home.
<1> that's the fbi's forensic tool of choice.
<6> siglite: apple makes it?
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