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<0> so isn't the . superfluous?
<0> redundant
<1> In those cases, yes
<2> FredPitcher: so what does the . stand for ?
<0> i'm not sure how to put it into words. not quite 'current directory'
<2> yes, thats what . is.
<3> it's a self-reference to the directory
<2> so after knowing that /. vs. / is obvious enough IMO.
<4> English is evil
<1> tavi: Steve Ballmer too
<0> but when the current directory is /home/blob and you do ls dir1/. it won't list the current directory. it will list dir1
<0> so that's why i didn't call it 'current directory' if asked to put it in words
<2> FredPitcher: because at that moment dir1 is the current directory for the process.
<0> oh ok.
<0> so what is the directory from which the process was called?
<2> at least the directory its working on. And see? This is why you don't skip those basic Linux tutorials.
<2> would you have read 'm from the start you'd come across all of this stuff.
<2> FredPitcher: why would there be one?
<0> $/home/blob ls dir1/ <-- so if dir1 is the current directory, what directory is /home/blob ?
<2> FredPitcher: you miss the point.
<2> FredPitcher: dir1 is a parameter to ls and as such its used by ls. Why would it use or know about the directory its started from?
<2> FredPitcher: second: we're talking about . and .., 2 well defined entities with regards to directories.
<0> fine, but terminology wise. as a unix admin, i would needs terms to refer to both
<0> but i agree, ls shouldn't have to know about the directory it's called from
<0> note- im' not a unix admin , don't worry ;-) im just learning.
<2> you're making an awfully poor start.
<2> instead of actually reading up you keep spouting this newbie crap in here.
<0> what linux tutorial do you suggest?
<5> man ls
<5> man pwd etc
<2> FredPitcher: I already answered that one last time we had this conversation. Nice to know it got completely ignored.
<0> Arasel: i'm not talking switches
<2> switches?
<0> you mentioned 'm , i'm not sure what you meant by that
<0> regarding to which tutorial to read
<0> and you said "basic linux tutorials"
<1> FredPitcher: Try the guides section at tldp.org
<0> thanks
<0> hopefully that will deal with my terminology issue
<1> Or if you want a more technical approach, "man dirent"
<0> thanks, that looks great
<5> FredPitcher: rute' s tutorials, I liked them once. Some nice books for study /learn linux.
<2> Arasel: easy on the bold colon please
<5> ouch, damns script on auto nick completion. sorry.
<0> according to man pwd. that displays the current directory. Meaning that even if you do ls dir1, the current directory is still the directory you called ls from. Though of course ls only knows about the directory you called it with.
<5> commands take logical arguments/parameters, they are logical constructed. This is why sometimes we read the man over and over again, for a specific scope. FredPitcher so be kind and study in a logically order.
<0> Arasel: where did I disagree with that?
<5> I agree, but I don't see a scope or a final conclusion. or revelation :)
<0> heh, ok.
<0> . is a pointer to the directory itself. so surely /. is superfluous. I checked man direct , and it only verifies that.
<0> regarding the terminology of current directory. that was just a spinoff of that original q ;-)
<6> hi, how can I know which config option provides the 'wlan' module?
<2> mathieu: that makes little sense.
<2> options to what ?
<6> Lion-O: to linux... this is #linux right? :)
<3> to the kernel configuration?
<6> robbelhoff: yep
<3> type "/" then "wlan" to search for it
<3> presuming you're using menuconfig
<2> mathieu: Why don't you check out http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ? Maybe you'll learn how to ask more meaningful questions...
<2> mathieu: and ofcourse we get to guess /which/ kernel out of, say, 50 possible variants.
<2> yeah, smart.
<3> the option for turning on wireless networking is pretty stable
<6> Lion-O: i asked how I could find it out... that's not specific to a variant i'd guess
<2> mathieu: But to answer your question; normally you'd read the manual which comes with the kernel source to see what it supports.
<2> mathieu: rtfm.
<3> well, no, he knows it supports it
<2> robbelhoff: uh huh
<6> Lion-O: i'm not compiling a kernel myself. i'm trying to compare two pre-built kernels
<6> one supports my wireless, the other not
<2> mathieu: then you're an idiot. Just grab the config file.
<6> i spotted that the one doesn't have the 'wlan' module
<2> that lists all the options which were used for the kernel. Simple.
<6> but grepping in the config file on 'wlan' doesn't reveal anything
<2> mathieu: thats where the documentation comes into the picture.
<2> or alternative approaches, like the one robbelhoff suggested.
<3> cat .config | grep -i wlan doesn't return anything?
<6> robbelhoff: one line only, and it's =y for both configs
<2> mathieu: so it DOES return something.
<2> you just don't know what you're doing and as such don't understand it.
<6> Lion-O: i never stated otherwise
<2> <6> but grepping in the config file on 'wlan' doesn't reveal anything
<6> reveal != return
<2> mathieu: it reveals everything
<6> ...
<2> its '=y' for both options so you now have the options it selected. Perhaps try using a pager, search for the options, and then check the context?
<6> Lion-O: already done that
<2> mathieu: you didn't say so.
<2> am I to guess here ?
<6> Lion-O: it seems to me you're only here to get mad at me for no reason
<6> Arasel: check, check, check
<2> mathieu: I'm not getting mad, just asking you to ask a sensible question and think about it but it seems you're not willing to do so.
<2> s/asking/telling/
<6> well, my question: is there a document that tells witch kernel config option will generate the wlan kernel module for a 2.6 kernel
<6> i don't have the docs installed since i'm not actually compiling a kernel
<2> ...
<6> Arasel: lsmod diff shows that the bad kernel hasn't loaded wlan. modprobe wlan tells me that the module doesn't exist
<2> so how about installing the documentation ?
<2> or using google, or....
<2> because yes, there is a document telling you all this: its called the kernel documentation.
<6> :)
<1> I guess I'll have to resort to trial & error methods to see if this works out :/
<2> eew :/
<1> Hmm, just figured that there's another limit we run into
<7> Aft'noon.
<1> Hola Tron
<7> Coma-san
<1> Hmm, and average pdf is about 228kB in size, so I won't be able to stick 39k files on a cd anyway
<1> Bloody hell, who came up with this $*&(#&^%@ stuff
<8> how do I change the order that services start on boot (FC5 / rc.d)
<1> tooky: Change the numbers of the S symbolic links
<1> The lower the number, the earlier it'll start
<2> Tron!
<2> our hero :)
<8> Coma: thanks, is this number configured somewhere? so using chkconfig to turn a service level on or off would create the right link?
<1> Lion-O: Heh, you don't get much excitement in your life, do you?
<2> Coma: wasn't Tron the one who is going to buy us all b33r ?
<1> tooky: I don't know about fedora, but debian's got a tool called update-rc.d that lets you change stuff about easily. See if fedora offers something similar
<1> Lion-O: Oh, if Tron's buying, he can be my hero too
<2> rh's tool is indeed called chkconfig. But it requires a special header in the rc.d script.
<8> Coma: thanks, think I've just found it actually, looks like there are 2 lines that I can change in the init.d scripts.
<8> Lion-O: yep, just spotted them, thanks
<2> hmm, now to do something usefull
<1> Oh, you mean the window manager?
<1> err, wws
<1> Oh, thank you!
<9> damn...whatta appetite
<1> Heh, if only you'd know
<7> Lion-O: I distinctly remember you stating that "the beer's are on me!" , i.e. You. ;)
<2> Tron: sure, but not now :)
<2> but ok, lets settle this
<1> How about you both get us some?
<2> killall-9: you buy the beer
<1> lol
<10> free beer ?
<10> hmm, breakfast
<7> Hey whitecaps' buying!
<1> whitecap: That's what I've been told
<9> saw a guy holding a sign on a corner "Why Lie, need a beer" (bwhahahaha)
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