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<0> reality__: yeah, but guess which has real apps available :P
<1> reality: it's not? if you can't boot without using more memory than XP, then it is by definition automatically more of a memory hog
<2> safemode: I mentioned SQL Server because its the biggest memoryhog I know :P
<1> memory/power etc
<3> safemode: Depends on how you define memory hog. It's definitely a faster boot on a machine with the same amount of ram. It's definitely more responsive than a machine with the same amount of ram. It's definitely better at managing resources.
<1> reality: because it uses them all and there is nothing left to manage
<2> lol
<2> on a side note I was -shocked- yesterday when Windows update pulled in a new Nvidia driver, and I -didnt- have to reboot.
<2> didnt kill my session or anything. just some flickering
<3> safemode: That's just retarded
<1> reality: tell me about it. that's what i've been saying. it's retarded
<3> No, I mean you.
<3> I'm using Vista on the media center box right now. There's definitely a performance increase over XP.
<1> there is absolutely no reason why vista should have the hardware requirements it has. No reason at all. But I'm glad it does. It just makes linux look all that much faster and efficient
<2> safemode: technically only thing it requires more of is base RAM
<2> safemode: for all that fancy stuff, it can be turned off
<4> how do i install pam-devel on fedora?
<2> but yeah, a tad high for a "fully" functional system, no doubt
<1> and there is stability issues with turning it off last i checked ...and having it on even leads to a stability issue
<3> ike: man yum
<2> ike: look for something called "yum". it installs things
<4> yum install pam?
<2> safemode: In that case I will find out. heh
<2> ike: I thought you wanted pam-DEVEL ?
<5> libpam-dev or libpam-devel, most likely
<1> I enjoy being able to run the exact same OS on my WRAP box running on a CF disk and my dual core amd box. It's a Good Thing (tm)
<5> Hmm, some feel that having different OSes on several parts of the network is agood idea
<5> Like having two different brands of firewall on either end of the DMZ
<5> etc
<1> PolarWolf: technically, the debian unstable on the firewall, is updated on long intervals, while the server is updated daily.. so it's pretty much two OS's... just completely compatible ones.
<1> In fact, my firewall is about due for it's yearly update.
<1> that should be fun.
<5> One trick to secure things would be to run a 64bit OS and turn off 32bit compatibility. That'd stop quite a lot of current crap
<5> At least everything that comes as 32bit executable
<1> 71 degrees outside in mid-NJ ... ****ing nice
<2> K_F: go trolling in #netbsd :P
<2> safemode: I thought NJ was supposed to be COLD this time a year?
<6> Jostein: hehe... some idiots in there doesn't notice that gnupg 1.4 != gnupg 2.0
<1> yea, back in the ice age
<2> ah, right
<6> not to mention focusing on all the wrong things..
<1> now that we're out of it.. it's back to 71 degrees
<1> woot **** winter forever
<2> safemode: yay for mankind ****ing up the climate
<2> Ill get another 500HP SUV just to help out
<6> I preffer it this way, actually :)
<6> and like me, you couldn't have driven it :)
<1> who says we did? the climate has cycled many times, and as far as history goes, this is a cold spell ..the avg temp of the earth over time is warmer
<7> Jostein: I've always thought we overate ourselves. We might have sped things up a bit, but we _are_ coming out of an ice age.
<5> It's 10C and it rains...again
<6> ThomasM: I agree, there are too many conclusions based on insufficient data
<1> you and your silly celsius
<5> safemode: at least it's linear
<6> it is fully possible that it is just a cyclic alteration, we just don't have the data far enough back
<2> safemode: s/silly/scientificly useful/
<5> Unlike fahrenheit
<1> Polar: yea, for simpletons to grasp
<5> real men do it in Kelvin anyway
<2> heh
<1> smart people use something complicated and not based on anything around today
<2> PolarWolf: in that case its 270K here
<5> Jostein: minus 3, eh?
<2> my bad. 272K :P
<7> +2
<7> Wait. -1.25 or thereabouts still, right?
<6> .15
<2> its -1 Celsius here according to my desklet
<5> 0C is 273.15K
<2> it only allows showing in fahrenheit or celsius, but sadly not kelvin
<6> Jostein: its not THAT difficult to convert from C though
<6> same scale, different root
<2> I know
<2> it would be fun though :)
<6> what would?
<2> having it display in kelvin
<8> you're giving me ideas for the forecastfox plugin I use :)
<2> anyway, Im starting to like the transparency/composite thing in Vista
<2> seeing the 120fpx 1920x1080 concert blurred trough the titlebar of the putty window
<2> fps
<8> oh, forecastfox has Celsius, Fahrenheit, Kelvin and ... Rankine
<6> women => eyecandy || everything else => functional
<2> K_F: it also shows it playing in minimized state when previewing the window -> functional
<5> Yeah, really functional
<2> super super super functional
<8> Jostein: doesn't sound like a bad idea (I would have it disabled because of low resources but it's not bad)
<9> damn Eclipse ... that app loves its ram
<9> my ram, actually :(
<2> you also see it playing realtime when cycling trough the windows in that 3d window which is nice. usefulness can be debated, but its no doubt nice
<2> RaYZoR: ram is cheap
<10> RaYZoR: if you use gjc you might want to consider suns java, eclipse uses about 50% of the memory using suns than gjc
<5> Hmm, nothing on the tube. Guess I'll have to watch The Excorsist
<1> transparency where text can overlay other text is always extremely poor UI. which is why i never got into liking transparent menus and windows on the desktop. eventually text overlays on some other text and that is ****.
<2> safemode: yeah, I dont like that either.
<9> Jostein yeah, Ill slap 2 * 2GO in there and things will be fine, there's only 1G of ram in this box now
<2> my weakest box has 1GB. enough for Visual Studio though
<6> I probably have to start considering a new laptop myself ...
<6> this one is starting to get slightly worn out :)
<6> Jostein: walk?
<1> 1GB should be enough for everything. blegh.. the whole attitude that 1GB isn't enough to run just about every program you can require at the same time...is sad.
<2> hmmm. I might approve of that
<2> safemode: true, true.
<2> safemode: but when you're running developer tools, having some extra to play with is nice
<6> not to mention multiple virtual machines..
<2> yup
<1> everything i'm running (and it's a lot) only uses 500MB ... throw gimp up on there and mplayer at the same time and you might increase memory usage by a small amount (gimp has user configurable mem usage)
<2> my -server- has 1,25GB, but its running a 256MB VM with debian
<2> still only uses 800MBs total or so
<2> and this debian box probably only uses 30MB anyway :P
<6> Jostein: anyways, I'm getting up from my Stressless here then....
<2> K_F: I might join you for that walk and maybe get some food at 7-11 :P
<1> I used to play with VM's ... it's not the mem usage i had a problem with. vmware's kernel modules aren't very high quality in amd64 land.. it caused all sorts of issues.
<6> Jostein: rofl
<6> Jostein: see you in 5
<2> people seem to have all kinds of issues with 64-bit
<2> never imagined it would cause so much grief
<1> well, besides certain userspace programs that interface with the kernel directly, like vmware, I dont
<1> everything i'd use in debian 32bit land i use in 64bit
<5> safemode: issues like...
<1> PolarWolf: I had the network module causing my real network to only transfer at like 1MB/sec
<1> PolarWolf: but transfers from the VM to computers on the real network ran at normal speed
<1> so like my host was getting no bandwidth, but the VM was running fine.
<5> Can't say I've seen that, but hey...things are weird like that in linux :)
<1> If I didn't run the VM at least once, one of the Vmware modules would consume 100% cpu if you did a fresh bootup
<1> luckily i have two cpus :)
<5> safemode: did you report those issues?
<1> I believe I discussed it in the vmware channel... nobody else was having the issues either so I just deleted everything
<1> I have extremely little use for VM's
<5> safemode: vmware channel? anything official gos through VMTN of the regular bug reporting process
<7> All of my testing environments are VMs. I have a lot of use for them.
<1> I require no testing environments ...everything i write is either not OS specific, or it's linux/unix
<2> ThomasM: *nod*
<11> rofl that's ****ing hilarious
<11> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6237607.stm
<11> US Army urges dead to re-enlist
<2> ThomasM: its nice being able to fool around with extra machines when testing stuff
<11> stupid bloody americans :P
<2> szymon: hahaha
<7> Jostein: Yep. And also to have a VM you can turn on and off at will that most closely replicates the environment of the production server. Any code I write on the VM is very nearly guaranteed to work just fine on production. And all my VMs are on my laptop, so I can go wherever I want and get the same work done.
<2> ThomasM: *nod*
<7> The only thing I lose by going disconnected is the ability to commit more often and the ability to publish, and I have a Sprint card for when those conditions, anyway.
<11> it's quite depressing really
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