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<0> no, that's different
<1> koollman: not really
<1> koollman: schematicly the exact same thing
<2> If 21 is the legal drinking age in your home country, should a 19 year old be able to drink in a country with no drinking laws?
<3> KF: It's more an issue with retarded laws themselves rather than a law applying them.
<1> TenBaseT_: imho that is a quesion that is better answered by the parents
<3> TenBaseT_: Suppose murder weren't illegal in some country?
<4> well
<4> I'm glad the wind's out of the west.
<2> Shadur: I dont think thats a hypothetical I can answer in one sentence.
<4> ****in' train derailment, chemicals leaking, evacuations
<2> holy ****, for real?
<5> damn
<4> yeah
<5> "you'll take my net from my cold dead hands?"
<2> Shadur: legally speaking, murder has a specific legal definition. If the state where a homicide occurs doesnt deem it as murder, it is not, QED.
<2> Shadur: morally, it's still wrong.
<3> The cuban boycott was childish to begin with, and given how casually it's violated, trying to enforce it is just being petty. On the other hand, I can see the point to wanting your citizens to behave like citizens even abroad.
<6> hmmm..
<1> TenBaseT_: depends if you're a dentologist or a consequentialist if it is morally wrong..
<2> Shadur: its illegal for USians to smoke hash in amsterdam too
<1> uliterianist or whatever the heck it is called
<3> TenBaseT_: Again, the drug laws in the US are fairly idiotic.
<3> If I were you, I'd worry much more when they decide to apply that to abortions.
<3> Which is why they pushed it through, mark my words.
<5> or science
<5> :P
<1> Jostein: that is pretty much the same thing though
<5> yeah
<5> its fundamentalism at work, no doubt
<1> Jostein: but would be "fun" if they tried to enforce intelligent design on the rest of the world
<5> hehehe
<1> Jostein: heard much about the company KAO (japs)?
<1> Jostein: I take it you can translate it, but still..
<5> K_F: kao is one of the words that can mean anything
<1> Jostein: in this case I blieve it means "face"
<5> might be
<5> I know nothing about it
<1> believe too..
<1> "Cleanliness is the foundation of a prosperous society" is their motto :)
<5> ah
<5> hehehe
<3> K_F: Now that's ****ing stupid.
<1> Shadur: japanese company founded in 1890, the kao soap group
<3> Cleanliness is what you get when a society is too poor to be able to afford throwing anything away.
<5> K_F: right
<1> soap corporation, even
<3> Personal hygiene is just common sense and has nothing to do with prosperous society.
<1> bah, whatever, it is a fun business case anyways
<7> depends on what you mean by personal hygiene.
<8> re
<1> Shadur: I believe it was fairly prescient to have been launched with that in 1890 anyways
<5> Shadur: there would be a lot more violence and a lot less prosper if people didnt shower, bath or wash themselves :P
<9> TenBaseT_: The question remains, if you go to Montreal and smoke a cuban, how is anyone back here going to know unless you tell them?
<7> nail clipping, hair cutting, perfuming, none of those are common sense.
<1> Ka-bar: or tell a friend over IRC..
<5> Ka-bar: you are a patriot and you will tell your govt anything
<1> Ka-bar: not like the NSA doesn't listen in already
<10> Ka-bar, JJ :o)
<9> Jostein: pfffft
<10> OldMonk
<8> cheeksy
<1> Ka-bar: they just add Cuban to the badword-list (if it isn't there already)
<10> o/` besa me besa me SUAVE o/`
<1> Ka-bar: go TIA
<5> George Bush Drug Deal Setup Blackmail. Ka-bar smokes cuban cigars
<5> Hey NSA! :D
<7> mohammed allah bomb nyc bush israel Ka-bar smokes cuban cigars
<9> or the CIA is placing radioactive isotope markers on all the cuban tobacco and they can sweep you for the markers when you come back? :P
<7> if that didn't work, i dunno.
<1> Ka-bar actually I'd have more belief in CAELA and FBI for that
<7> echelon
<1> NineVolt9: no, echelon is international
<7> i thought irc was too :P
<9> laura bush blows g0ats
<1> NineVolt9: communications ***istance for law enforcement act (CALEA) would be used here..
<5> K_F: according to the manager of TIA, TIA was shut down :P
<9> Jostein: riiiiiiiiiiiight
<1> Jostein: yeah, and according to the NSA echelon never existed..
<5> exactly
<1> heck, nor does NSA :p
<8> that's fine, since according to Echelon NSA doesn't exist
<2> Ka-bar: thats why I said, for you there's no enforcement. For me, it's a little different
<9> TenBaseT_: polygraph?
<2> they love asking **** like that
<2> its infuriating
<1> TenBaseT_: they don't necesarily ask because they care though, but to see how you react..
<9> TenBaseT_: been there, done that. that's part of the reason I don't do that anymore.
<2> yea
<1> Jostein: wonder how much of this conversation PST listens into
<5> to be honest, I think norway has the same silly rules
<2> I'm not quite there yet. I can see how you could get a bellyfull of it though.
<5> that you are not allowed to do anything prohibited by norwegian law when abroad
<2> Right now the money is too good
<9> filling out the contact reports when I travelled overseas got to be a huge PITA.
<5> Cant recall it ever have been applied in court though
<2> yea
<1> Jostein: not really
<5> K_F: aha?
<2> K_F: thats not quite true. telling them you're violating US law starts them down a whole unpleasant line of questioning
<2> they very much DO care how you answer.
<1> TenBaseT_: how you answer, not what you answer..
<2> No
<2> okay, here's how that would play out. you be me.
<9> the last straw came when I was travelling to places where I couldn't even tell my wife where I was going or when I'd be back and I couldn't call her while I was away.
<2> I'll be the douche.
<1> TenBaseT_: though you were by default :p
<2> So, I see you were in the carribean. Nice beaches. Didja buy any cubans while you were there?
<1> yeah, threw in a couple chiquitas too
<9> Buy them? No, I only rented them for a couple hours.
<1> Ka-bar: fair enough, made use of their services
<5> No. I got them for free with the local hookers
<2> Surely you're aware of the US trade embargo against the communist regime in cuba, and that buying those was illegal.
<5> Not in cuba it was
<2> Do you frequently violate US policy law?
<1> yes, but by enforcing that you're violating the same thing you're trying to protect by freedom of speech
<7> it's illegal abroad too?
<1> I have a constututional right to express myself, and I feel the embargo is a piece of ****
<2> Who are you to tell the US government what policies to enforce?
<7> since when does US law stretch beyond US borders?
<8> please withdraw your semen from the cuban hookers immediately!
<1> NineVolt9: 2k6
<7> ?
<7> ... what?
<11> TenBaseT_: buying cuban stuff is only illegal if you happen to be in american territory though
<5> So does the dutch laws about smoking weed apply in the US too?
<2> K_F: getting uppity with the examiners is a real good way to lose your job in 10 minutes flat.
<5> neat!
<1> TenBaseT_: again, it depends on how you say it.. that said, americans tends to be slightly more uptight than europeans
<12> us law can't possibly apply to me outside the US.
<2> NineVolt: only if you're a US citizen
<1> TenBaseT_: and I haven't been in the us in '94... so I should just stfu :)
<12> i have dual citizenship.
<8> if you're american it probably can
<11> NineVolt: They nab you when you enter american territory nex titme instead
<2> yeah then it applies no matter where you are.
<5> I love that "freedom" thing you have going there
<11> and yes, if you are american, you are in trouble anyway ;)
<12> they nab me? and don't charge me?
<2> No, for the most part they dont care.
<12> i'd love to see someone charged for crimes committed abroad.
<12> or rather, held without being charged.
<11> NineVolt: depends on what they consider you to have done, but usually they charge you
<5> The US really needs to grow up and realize different countries have different rules, and that their rules dont apply everywhere.
<1> NineVolt: one of the larger financiers in norway had a fun deal regarding dual citizenship (and driver's license).. his .no license got suspended for speeding but he still had his .us one
<8> Jostein: don't be ridiculous
<1> NineVolt: so he just kept driving :)
<2> NineVolt: people get arrested in the US for murder committed in international waters all the time
<11> NineVolt: americans are nabbing foreign gambeling execs left and right..
<12> i'm pretty sure "outside of america" is beyond the jurisdiction of those laws.
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