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<0> K_F: hmm, include file ;)
<1> right, it is compiled.. but not included
<1> :P
<0> DonDon2: it is.
<1> heh I've tried old, new, etc... its not in the include's
<2> DonDon2: What distribution are you using?
<0> distributions make a difference between libraries and -dev packages.
<1> compiled it from scratch - but redhat
<0> if you compiled psql yourself you already have these files.
<0> RTFM comes to mind now.
<1> heh the FM has nothing to say about it ;)
<0> DonDon2: bull****.
<3> DonDon2: utter bull****
<1> OK, then why do I look into the include directory and it's not there? :)
<1> for postgresql
<2> Tried using find?
<1> yes
<0> DonDon2: because you skipped the rtfm part.
<0> heck, even google can enlighten one as to what is going on.
<4> Lion-O: stupidity?
<0> http://www.google.nl/search?q=postgresql+libpq%2B%2B.h+linux&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
<4> well, I went and picked me up LOTR: Return of the King Extended Version.
<5> being able to multitask isnt that nice, now I'm doing something while being bored at the same time
<1> well forget it... google isn't going to do a thing
<3> mikaa: I know that one
<3> DonDon2: no.. you're not going to do a thing. get a ****ing brain implant
<0> DonDon2: odd. It works perfectly for me.
<2> mikaa: Beats having the dreaded "DIP Switch fingers" from toggling in address and data values all day long.
<0> thats why I mentioned that URL. I simply couldn't be bothered to neatly format the string because well; thats too much work.
<6> Lion-O: hehehe
<5> ;)
<3> for some reason my touretts always acts up around imbeciles *whistles*
<4> K_F: don't ****ing know why
<2> My dislexia must be acting up... The first time I read that, I thought it said that you swear around testicles.
<7> K_F: never notice the difference. then again, only ever seen you on irc....
<3> DaveHowe: hehe
<7> although if you always have torrettes when I am around.... hmm. <self doubt mode engage>
<8> okay, $client hasnt payed me...guy is a small 1bit operation here in town...has no attorney, or any of that good jazz...I am about to e-mail him...should I say something along the lines of: "$client; as of 1/2/2007, the monies owed for services performed on $date, in the amount of $amount have p***ed the 30 day cycle that we have signed in contract. I have tried to contact you on numerous occasions, with out success. My attorney has advised me to make one fin
<8> al attempt to contact you before pursuing legal action." .... should I go w/something along those lines? Scare him into payment?
<6> you just wrote 75% of a screen of text in one go
<8> so, get a bigger screen
<6> you suggest I get a gnu screen? :P
<7> Steakk: always put a lien in the contract (is that even how you spell that? I am not a lawyer). that way, if they don't pay up, you can send in baliffs...
<6> Steakk: next time make backdoors
<9> anyone ever used ffproxy ?
<8> DaveHowe, I know what you mean by lien, but elaborate if you would (as in, putting it into a contract)
<7> mrmabel: I imagine a large number of people have, yeah....
<8> final fantasy has a proxy?
<9> ahhaha
<9> no
<7> Steakk: everything you make, touch, breathe on etc remains your property until paid for - and usually you can then get bailiffs to go reclaim your property - ideally, just when they have big customers onsite to impress. . .
<9> i just realized that ffproxy doesnt work well with some sites ... especially those on IIS 6
<7> haven't seen much ffproxy does better than snort-inline ;)
<8> DaveHowe, not as simple w/this type of thing...this guy is contracted out by companies like Vonage and such to go and do installs...I did a few installs for him at a rate of X per install...all printed in B/W ... the time frame has come and gone, and he still hasnt payed...BUT, I cant go and reclaim services (IE: Disconnect someones telephone because someone didnt pay)
<9> well i use it on an embedded device so ...
<9> snort would blow the box
<6> mrmabel: your proxy hates my sites then :P
<9> IIS 6 is cool :)
<9> oopps that was the linux channel now wasnt it ...
<7> Steakk: sure you can; problem there is you probably can't get right of access without a court order. however, that is common enough - if you give someone terms for goods on lien, and they sell them, you can go reclaim those goods from the buyers and leave them to argue it out with the vendor in court
<3> e02 isn't bad either
<7> Steakk: other problem there is that once you "remove" your service, you aren't left with a lot to sell again
<8> DaveHowe, the EU (End User) is not to blame though...THEY paid Vonage as per their contract. Vonage paid the guy that hired me...that guy just hasnt paid me...and for me to go back to the EUs residence or offices, and disconnect services is prolly past a point that I dont wanna be past
<7> Steakk: given it was services, your best bet is to try small claims court.
<7> Steakk: or better yet - contact Vonage, tell them you are going to have to sue this guy, and need confirmation from them and the end customer that the work was done to spec
<8> DaveHowe, oh, good call
<7> Steakk: they will probably come down on this guy like a tonne of bricks to avoid the bad PR
<8> *nod*
<8> and w/any luck, stop doing work with him...and then I'll be able to do it all directly (at a higher rate of pay :P_)
<7> Steakk: probably too much to hope for - but to simplify it, they might just pay you, get a recipt, then dock it from his next payment
<8> doubtfull, as I was a 3rd party contractor involved...it would not be their responsibility to make sure I am paid
<7> nope, it wouldn't - but its easier for them (it avoids the bad PR, avoids you (potentially) contacting End Users and asking for proof of work done for a court case, and costs them nothing unless their contractor wants to contest the charge - and he isn't likely to bite the hand that feeds him.
<8> DaveHowe, I think he is pissed because his laptop power cord got fried while in my posession. He had bought a new one, and tried to take it out of my wages. I told him that is fine, but then give me the receipt of purchase, as I need it for my records. (considering him taking wages would be the same as my paying for it)
<4> Steakk: warning, it may seem that you are being blown off when you talk to Vonage, but you want to talk to sales.. it'll make larger wave
<7> not sure if Sales or legal would be a better choice. Legal tend to take a gloomy view of court action, even small-claims-court, that might have their good name being published
<4> DaveHowe: Sales will take it right to legal, but sales knows how much it will HURT
<7> Sales usually dont give a damn, as they hope to have cleared a quarterly bonus and moved on long before anough comes downstream to hurt them
<4> legal doesn't lose the money like sakes does
<4> sales
<7> besides, sales wouldn't have access to records like that. complaints (if they have such a department) might, and they tend to be the same people as the PR dept
<4> DaveHowe: Sales has access to everything sold, and all records regarding those sales
<4> if an installation is bad, a customer calls sales 70% of the time
<4> 50% of the time its for a better deal due to the ****up
<7> Emerson: I will take your word for it. I tend to work support, not sales :)
<10> /who Emerson
<4> DaveHowe: I work support to, however I'm more like a project manager than a support tech these days
<6> so is Steakk still even listening? :P
<8> yes
<4> probably not
<4> lol
<8> Emerson/DaveHowe, last question: If the person that created the contract (in this case him) breaks the contract making it null-and-void, and he still owes me money, he owes me his complete balance paid immideately, since he has broke the contract, right?
<7> Emerson: from past evidence, sales only care about stuff that impacts *their* bottom line (aka comission), and can see ahead maybe as far as six weeks....
<4> DaveHowe: a court case involving a growing company like Vonage with the smell of "not paying" .. it's bad
<7> Steakk: unfortunately, no. if the contract was really null and void, he wouldn't owe you anything. you are going to have to enforce the contract, not avoid it
<7> Emerson: sure. but will that cause sales to dip before the next set of commission payments get cut?
<8> DaveHowe, my attorney claims elsewise
<4> DaveHowe: if Steak files it the right way... yes
<4> Steakk: depends on how the contract was breached
<7> Steakk: if you had done the work without a contract - would you get paid?
<8> since he broke the contract, making it null and void, it also nulls out the 30day cycle portion, making it that he does not have 30 days, and the monies are own immideately
<4> if the act you are seeking "damages" for breaks the contract, yes...
<8> Emerson, he breached contracct same way SSS did :)
<7> Steakk: so in the absence of a contract, you don't get paid and get to argue for your money in court
<4> Steakk: then the answer is, that's a breach on services rendered. Did you send an invoice?
<11> breach of contract should not equal cancellation of the contract, unless the contract was written that way ;P
<7> Steakk: but there was a contract - so you have to force him to comply with it, unless there is a clause saying that all payments come due immediately on termination of the contract
<8> 99% sure there is/was ... I'll have to dig it out again
<12> i have erdhat enterprise, is there just a command line rpm command I can use to install fetch? like I can install it from ports in freebsd?
<3> Keo-0w: call redhat support
<12> there isn't just a command line?
<7> you mean fetchmail or is there some package called fetch I am unaware of?
<12> like an rpm i can download and run
<4> Steakk: then he breached the contract on services rendered which is what you would be going to court for. The answer is, yes you have a case the contract is what you would be "inforceing".
<12> fetch that goes out and grabs files on the web
<0> Keo-0w: RHEL doesn't use fetch but other tools. RTFM comes to mind.
<12> ie. fetch blah.com/file.tar
<7> Keo-0w: you can install a rpm with the "rpm" command. "man rpm"
<7> sounds like wget to me
<12> yea but fetch i use for php
<3> you should probably use curl for that..
<12> lion-o : lol - funny I'd rather use BSD but this lame *** company only does redhat=\
<7> Keo-0w: and this affects me how? go use curl or wget in your php
<12> not agaisnt redhat but just more familar:)
<13> if you want to "install" fetch, use your package manager
<0> Keo-0w: so either tell them you're not up for the job or do some better preperations
<13> RHEL has yum
<13> "man yum"
<7> or a php fetch library - sure there is one out there
<12> lol
<12> liono is power hungry
<12> im out!
<0> and good riddance
<13> sorry
<6> Lion-O: not sure that is what I was call spoonfeeding though.
<6> Lion-O: it followed the channels "man <command>" guidelines :P
<0> Jostein: hm, hm. This one is rhel (shady subject), obviously someone who gets paid for the job /and/ someone who made it quite clear not to have any intentions to rtfm.
<8> Emerson, I should have you call him (as you have the same area code as Vonage, and he'd answer), and then have you pretend to be my finincial advisor,and have him pay me :P
<4> Steakk: unless he worded in a loophole that states if he breaks the contract he can not pay. and close 'unfortunatly not' criminal
<6> Lion-O: i agree on that though.
<6> Lion-O: but in that case, I just think you kicked the wrong target :P
<8> Emerson, I, and about 15 other people, have examined the contract...there is no such loophole for him
<13> :(
<13> i'm a victim
<4> Steakk: can't I would have no jurisdiction in WI.
<7> Lion-O: that's borderline too. I install RHEL systems for people, and sometimes have to do work on them. doesn't mean I have access to the DeadRat people, or want to make transatlantic support calls anyhow
<8> Emerson, good point
<0> Jostein: hmm :)
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