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<0> Tron: whatever
<1> wlfshmn: three inches of slosh? are you drunk again?
<2> and there is too much slush around
<1> if Xen takes off as the standard Linux virtualization platform, VMWare will go out of business.
<2> Sagoro: no, you are typing. talk to the hand
<0> TenBaseT_: no, but I should be, really.
<3> as well as waiting impatiently for the latest VMWare workstation update to download.
<4> TenBaseT_: I still think Xen will overtake vmware
<5> TenBaseT_: I doubt Xen is VMware's target. Did you notice how VMWare Server's features match pretty close to MS Virtual Server's?
<2> ISH.
<1> Tron: I do too
<2> YOU CANT.
<4> TenBaseT_: vmware would have to release ESX for free, because Xen's virtualisation method more closely matches ESX than GSX in my opinion.
<6> OK, lunchtime
<7> does anyone use xen in here?
<4> siglite: I do.
<2> tomorrow's viksit's birthday
<4> siglite: AT home and at work.
<7> Tron: I'm having trouble finding the install/docu on the site. Got a link for me?
<4> siglite: Which site are you looking at?
<7> oh, nm, I just found some.
<3> one would safely ***ume the one elgoog told him to visit.
<5> Tron: ESX is currently way ahead compared to anything out there. Maybe not in its basic virtualisation technique, but more management wise
<1> ESX is pretty sweet. you can move running images around between physical servers.
<5> TenBaseT_: Aye, I do that on a daily basis :P
<3> TenBaseT_: that feature alone amazed the **** out of me.
<7> TenBaseT_: kosmo really sings the praises of ESX.
<4> PolarWolf: *nod*, but nevertheless, Xen is using the same virtualisation method as ESX, and it's constantly catching up. There are some major names behind Xen these days.
<7> er, yeah.
<4> TenBaseT_: You can do the same with Xen.
<5> Tron: Sure, but only basic virtualisation doesn't an enterprise ready product make
<3> siglite: uh, from what ive seen of it. we dont have it in bigtime production yet.
<3> "Sometimes it pays to stay in bed on Monday, rather than spending the rest of the week debugging Monday's code."
<4> PolarWolf: As I said, Xen is catching up. :)
<3> - Dan Salomon
<3> ewps :)
<1> siglite: we hotspare servers here. if a server starts faulting, you just move all it's images to the hotspare and pull it out of the rack for service. seriously, It ****ing Rocks.
<5> Tron: Yeah, and VMware is standing still :)
<4> PolarWolf: *shrug* :)
<5> Tron: ESX 3.0 and Virtual Center 2.0 are out soon
<5> Tron: Competition in the field is good though
<3> siglite: I predict that ESX will solve alot of our companies WinTel DR problems.
<4> PolarWolf: Indeed.
<5> But I don't see Xen taking off in the mainstream without some serious management tools and loads of support
<7> kosmo: I can see that.
<3> siglite: I would jump on it for that reason alone, since Win-Tel D/R is a friggin joke
<3> oooooo. its after 12. Time to do the lunch thing :)
<1> According to documents unsealed by a judge in the shareholder lawsuit, Ellison habitually pushes his credit limit of more than a billion dollars to its maximum to finance his yachts and homes. And that's not even counting some $20 million a year he burns through in miscellaneous lifestyle expenses.
<8> TbT: wow, I wish my credit cards had a billion dollar limit on them ;)
<4> 20 million a year.
<4> Miscellaneous lifestyle expenses of 20 million per year.
<1> hes a nutter
<5> Ah, looks like I run into a 64bit issue again, and Server is still 32 bit
<5> That is teh ****
<4> Say it again, "Miscellaneous lifestyle expenses of 20 million per year."
<1> yeah thats teh stuff that cant even be cl***ified
<1> like "house" "Jet" "food" "clothes"
<4> "Illegal activities"
<1> hahaha
<1> 'coke and hookers'
<4> "payoffs"
<6> this is Larry Ellison we're talking about, right?
<1> right
<1> the crazy ****er that lives in a feudal palace
<6> definitely a nutter
<4> hehe - Q: What's the difference between God and Larry Ellison? A: God doesn't think he's Larry Ellison.
<1> hhhaahaha
<6> LOL
<5> Meh, they stole that from me :)
<5> "God, root, what's the difference? God doesn't think he's root."
<6> so, by corollary, Larry Ellison is root?
<1> I know a guy who works for oracle
<1> he make a seig hiel whenever he sees his picture on tv
<6> scary
<9> working for oracle is scary
<9> the rest is just fluff
<6> heya uncle Pim :)
<9> hiyatama
<10> Hello
<10> Process priorities ain't working very well......
<11> ****s for you then dosen't it?
<6> boo hoo
<10> let's say i have this dumb*** mldonkey program that hogs 75% cpu, i renice it to +15 and it still slows down stuff like doom3 etc.
<6> Linux is hardly an RTOS
<10> i suspect disk access is an issue here. even though disks are set to use udma and unmasked interrupts...
<11> !ping
<12> Tamahome: hasn't that improved lately?
<11> !seen jgaddis
<12> pre-emtible kernel for one
<6> K_F: it's not a design principle.
<11> ^seen jgaddis
<6> (for Linux)
<13> schitzo: I have not seen jgaddis
<13> </bot>
<10> preemptible -kernel- ??
<11> Sagoro: ****s for you then eh?
<11> ./kick Sagoro damn AI bot's
<13> /k schitzo damn overzealous ops
<10> ie. userspace code can walk over the kernel's scheduler?
<11> wheee, one of my stocks dropped 13 points so far today
<11> sorry, 14 points now
<6> delt: got much RAM?
<10> 512 mb .... gonna get another half gig to put em in dual channel
<6> hmmmm... you'd think it would cache more
<10> but i need to find a 512mb ddr 333mhz exactly like this one
<6> what exactly is the benefit of dual channel anyhow?
<10> about 10% faster mem access, afaik
<14> No second memory fetch cycle.
<10> 10% being average ballpark figre
<6> oh rock on... the Oblivion system requirements have finally been released
<10> oblivion?
<6> 1GB of RAM?!?
<12> Tamahome: not too much
<6> delt: ever played Morrowind? it's from the same series
<10> ako
<10> aok
<6> I only have 512... but I guess I have to upgrade
<6> ahhh well, DDR400 is relatively cheap right now
<12> I have 768 on the laptop, 1 gig on the workstation and the server
<10> quake4 takes up huge amounts of mem
<14> Yeah, mine is 333... not too many places you can use that any more.
<12> description: DIMM DDR Synchronous 400 MHz (2.5 ns)
<6> hm, $50... not too shabby
<10> anyone know if you can put 400MHz mem on an asus p4p800?
<12> asus probably does..
<6> delt: if it's a 333 board, it'll probably just drive it at 333
<10> currently using a single 333mhz (runs it at 320)
<10> Tamahome: yeah that's what i figured.. but it will work i presume..?
<6> delt: the only other problem you could run in to would be memory timing
<9> you see kids? that's why I hate hardware ::)
<6> Pim: heh
<0> exel: If you hate hardware, I'm willing to find a new home for that evil horrible powerbook of yours
<9> wlf: I bet you would. If you can get me bbedit for an abacus, I'm game :)
<6> LOL!
<6> BBEdit > YOU
<0> exel: I can. The UI is slightly diffretn though.
<9> wlf: that won't do :)
<0> exel: bummer ;)
<0> exel: besides, abacii are hardware too!
<6> delt: http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx?SLanguage=en-us <-- hrm, this suggests you might be out of luck if you use two sticks that are not the same speed
<6> (for dual channel)
<9> wlf: yeah they'll probably break on me just as bad.
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