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<0> The remaining 20% is stuff no sane person would be doing anyway, so that's ok
<1> Yar, I also do every package the same way
<1> and if it doesn't work.. that's when I am hosed
<1> because I don't know any other way of doing it
<0> Speaking of installing stuff...
<1> Would that be, perhaps, due to the slackware "engine"? (Thanks for pointing out my lack of terminology)
<0> ThomasJ: Naw, slackware uses the linux kernel, and all the affiliated components to make an actual useable OS, too
<0> 121 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 59 not upgraded.
<0> Need to get 111MB of archives.
<0> Hum. Been a wehile.
<1> Oh cool.. Then I suppose there is no "valid" reason to switch distro's unless I was going to consider using nix as my primary os.. and then it would only be to make my life "easier"?
<2> Can you *please* stop saying "nix"? It's highly annoying.
<1> Sorry mwilson
<0> ThomasJ: Even if you're just a casual user, you should always strive to make your life as easy as possible as it'll cost you less of the short time you're spending already
<0> But generally, hey, whatever floats your boat
<3> unless ofcourse the goal is the OS or environment itself.
<1> I think that was my initial attraction to linux though, that it was a bit of a challenge, and still is, compared to the automated computing of Windows.. so I reckon that if it were automated, or easier to operate, it may lose it's appeal to me and hense I should just stick to what I am doing to avoid dropping linux alltogether.. :D
<2> Whatever the hell "automated computing" is supposed to mean.
<2> Why shouldn't you "drop LInux" if it's appropriate to do so?
<0> ThomasJ: I prefer to get things done, actually, not having to fight any OS to do it
<1> mwilson: Everything is "automatic" in the windows environment.. updates, installing, etc.. In Linux (well in my Slackware atleast) I have to manually do everything, which to me, since I am so illminded when it comes to linux, is usually quite the challenge
<4> interesting thing about soccer. strangest score ever: 0,5:0
<4> uups.
<5> Revenger: ..
<4> honestly. it happened.
<6> how can one score half a goal?
<5> Revenger: gotta be some strange comittie-ruling post-game
<4> it was the referee.
<3> cut the ball in half, shoot it into goal ? ;)
<4> close.
<6> i don't profess myself to be a football expert or anything, but i don't know of any rule about half goals :)
<0> ThomasJ: Like in Linux, anything but the most simple stuff is "automatic" in Windows. OTOH, it greatly depends on what you do. Personally, I find my Debian box to be more "automatic" than Windows, but hey.
<4> at that time, the ball was a leather shell with a rubber thing inside.
<4> someone shot at the goal. the ball desintegrated.
<4> the rubber part stopped before the goal line, the leather went into the goal.
<6> that's hilarious.
<4> there was no rule at all for that situation, so the ref decided it was "half a goal"
<1> So, let's say I want to set up a server.. for network traffic control(a gateway), file serving, printer, roaming profiles, etc.. which linux distrobution, iyho, would be the "best"?
<0> ThomasJ: Given that to do what you want you only need to add Samba, any would do.
<1> So no distro would be better than the other for that type of application?
<1> Can you suggest a good firewall?
<0> ThomasJ: Depends on how well the distribution in question is able to install Samba for you. Most do a reasonable job, I'd say.
<1> Yeah, I've been using Samba for years.. Slackware handles it pretty well
<1> And the Samba module for Slax was a breeze also..
<7> hi gurus!!
<1> when mounting with samba.. is it possible to include the root p*** in the exec line so that it will not prompt for it when executed?
<8> well i was a html guru but i left that grpup :-/
<9> hi!is someone online to help me?
<6> DaveHowe: i read the same thing
<1> erm.. can I format a mounted drive (samba mount from win box) ext2? using mkfs?
<10> bhab: and it still made a certain amount of sense...
<1> Bah.. nope..
<10> no. you can't format mounted drives under any circumstances
<6> DaveHowe: haha, funny enough, yes :)
<1> DaveHowe thank you.
<3> EvilTwin: searchpath.
<3> "man which"
<11> re
<3> OM!
<1> gotta reboot.. sounds odd but has'd to be done.. back in a bit, nice talking with you's and thank you for all your input!
<9> Lion-O sorry but I don't understand the answer..The problem is that it is not using the bin from user but the general ones
<3> EvilTwin: if you don't even know what a searchpath is you have a lot to learn. "man <your shell here>", look for "PATH".
<3> Man, this is *way* too purrty. I just replaced Squid with the Sun Webproxy server (also runs on Linux) and it totally blows Squid out of the water. Webinterface for an easy setup (handy to maintain ****lists), timed pre-storage (I tell it to check a few sites in the morning up-front), and it just works(tm) :P
<9> Lion-O sorry for my lack of knowledge..But I will learn if u say it's the only solution..I am not a linux expert..I have another field of interest..I just wanted to run a program
<3> I wonder if Squid (probably SquidGuard) has been leaking memory on me, right now I hardly experience any negative influences.
<11> slowlaris weenie
<10> sounds good - you got an url for it Lion-O?
<3> DaveHowe: http://www.sun.com/download/products.xml?id=4487b1dd
<6> there's nothing wrong with solaris. I like it. It has its uses. :)
<3> my main gripe with SquidGuard is that its old, and doesn't work the the current BerkeleyDB versions anymore. Which is plain out annoying.
<0> Lion-O: That's all nice and well, except that proxies ****
<3> PolarWolf: not when you're using it for more than 1 person :)
<6> OODBs are weird.
<10> I love solaris - the diagnostic tools rock my world :)
<3> PolarWolf: now that I started using this proxy from scratch did I notice how much it helped speed up the browsing. We usually visit some common sites (news sites, /., etc.) and it rocks if you don't have to wait for certain stuff to get in.
<11> bah, linux is better supported
<6> especially in recent versinos.
<3> and now that I can tell this stuff to pre-fetch up front.. its gonna rock :)
<3> what Linux ?
<1> Slackware!
<1> :P
<11> slackware is the best
<11> etc.
<10> slackware is the only real linux (x 10)
<10> :)
<12> ./k OldMonk misinformation is forbidden
<11> whitecap: this is a new concept called ``marketing''
<11> name a lie with a pretty tag and you don't need to call it a lie anymore :)
<12> as new as ancient egypt at least
<0> whitecap: Is it? Damn, the whole world is in violation then.
<11> you mean, the world is god's marketing plan?
<3> but seriously though. Open source is all fun and well but so far most of the things I've seen have been trying to re-create already existing products. Most OSS doesn't really bring much innovation.
<11> schitzo
<11> Lion-O: like pressing and releasing the ctrl key in konqueror?
<11> the first time i did that i blew my mind for 1/2 hour trying to figure out what those letters and numbers that popped up were
<3> OldMonk: nah, feature-wise. For example; take Squid, its a very good piece of software. Rock solid. But when it comes to specific features like blocking certain contents does it become tedious. You get stuff like SquidGuard or DansGuardian but even that isn't really the best out there.
<11> Lion-O: i have multiple criteria for defining ``best'', and among them is ``i should have to depend on a single organisation for support and upgrades''
<3> OldMonk: And once a certain piece of the chain starts decaying (like SquidGuard) while the rest evolves (like BerkeleyDB) do you really risk a situation where the whole house comes crumbleing down. There are dissadvantages.
<11> i mean, i should not have to...
<11> because when sun dies, so does sun proxy server and all its users
<3> OldMonk: Well, doesn't that apply with OSS as well? With SquidGuard there is 1 place I can rely on for updates, and that place quit :P now there are no places ;)
<11> and we're not in the 60s and 70s, when ibm and dec seemed like living forever
<11> Lion-O: you can hire someone to make changes, or enthuse them, or make them yourself.
<11> ****, even cray died!
<12> even *gasp* sgi
<11> anyway, for more information on those topics please attend my next seminar presentation whenever it is.
<11> well, sgi is still alive AFAIK. the delhi office is hiring new staff
<3> OldMonk: That is true. Its basicly where open source can become handy. In case of companies; those are usually taken over and then products are either phased out, replaced or continued. But yes; OSS does have an advantage there.
<11> i don't really know what chapter11 means, but it doesn't seem to include closing the company down
<3> OldMonk: but still... OSS where a company has a leading role tends to produce more results feature wise. At least IMO.
<10> OldMonk: its a lot like receivership - companies aren't allowed to forclose on the debts while accountants reorganize the company to try and get it back in the black
<3> Look at XFS (sgi) vs. ReiserFS.
<11> DaveHowe: ah
<10> OldMonk: the only real difference is that the company files for it itself, rather than a court ordering it (and gets to pick its own accountants)
<11> DaveHowe: so technically there's a chance they could be back in the running?
<10> OldMonk: yes. in fact, chapter 11 is not supposed to be filed for unless you believe you can reorganize and get yourself back in the black within six months
<10> OldMonk: its a breathing space, as an alternative to giving up and letting it go under; its not supposed to be used to keep a dieing company "alive" for a few more months, and in fact the accountants can be charged if they are later found to have applied for a Ch11 without a clear exit plan
<10> needless to say, it doesn't *have* to work, but it has to have a reasonable expectation of working
<11> i wonder if the sgi chaps were also doing creative accounting?
<13> has any one tried out the new frontier linux?
<11> last i heard (which was many years ago), they had some $750M in cash sitting around
<11> which wasn't bad for a $4B company
<2> Dj-Patou: "tried out"?
<13> does any one run on the new frontier linux then
<10> linux *is* the new frontier
<3> To boldly go where companies have gone before!
<14> :)
<13> DaveHowe tafusion linux frontier as in the software does any one use it or at least heard of it????
<10> Dj-Patou: we know which one you mean, yes. but no, I haven't installed it anywhere
<14> is this frontier thing another lindows clone?
<3> Dj-Patou: any idea how many distributions exist? Its impossible to keep up with every newly launched dinkey toy distro.
<2> Dj-Patou: Is there some reason you care whether anyone here is using this latest flash-in-the-pan?
<13> To my knowledge tafusion is the one that came out with this one and theres no other distribution of it i`m just trying to gatter info on it since the last 2 releases of version 11 wouldn`t work on my pc and hoping this one will
<3> www.distrowatch.org ; www.google.com
<15> OldMonk: the sgi must have done a creative accounting if they in fact stashed $750M in cash and hid somewhere with someone else's name not affiliated with sgi. cash is so hard to account for as there is no paper trail. still is a fraud only if caught .. "how are you by the way?"
<10> Dj-Patou: then that's a good enough reason not to use it. go use a distro that DOES work on your machine out of the box :)
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