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<0> DaveHowe havent found any distro that does
<1> tsokolat: nah, they had it up front
<2> Lion-O: http://www.tafusion.com/products/frontier/home.php
<1> which is why they were such a good target for takeover at that time
<1> tsokolat: i'm good, and the better for seeing you
<2> Lion-O: basically their Mephis commercial distro, with crossover office on it
<3> OldMonk: yes, it's been a while!
<4> DaveHowe: you have got to be kidding me
<4> eeew
<2> Lion-O: do I look like I am attempting humour?
<4> DaveHowe: yeah, when you make those funny faces in front of the monitor :)
<2> Lion-O: that's shock and horror
<2> or constipation, on occasion - but in this case, shock and horror
<5> it's often difficult to know when Dave is attempting humour. His puns tend to be...obscure
<3> OldMonk: my life has been busy!
<2> oh double-ew. they are revamping it to run based on ubuntu.
<2> at $45/licence
<0> Ok i see clearly this chan aint gonna be of any help so see yah and il keep runin my pc on micro**** software at leat that runs on descent pc`s
<4> well.. Now to add a list of some malicious websites to my useragent filter so that MSIE clients can't reach those and I'll be fully set for next week.
<1> Lion-O: e.g. updates.microsoft.com?
<2> OldMonk: *.com; *.net, *.info...
<1> hehheh
<5> 75 acres of solar panels sounds like a LOT of panels though
<6> if all goes well
<6> this is a one time where i'd like to pray , id even offer God shares in this if he wanted... just want him to make this happen
<5> :)
<5> how much are the panels costing per sq m?
<7> Panels are very inefficient anyway.
<6> PolarWolf, thats all thats going to be left
<5> PolarWolf: yeah, about 20-25% IIRC
<7> It takes like 3 years to compensate for the power required to make them
<7> mario__: Hell no
<6> plus if i get enough over here , i can break the monopolky of the electricity company and make wonders , you can even effect economy
<7> mario__: Bio fuels and coal will last us for a couple more centuries
<7> mario__: Only thing is...you won't be able to fill up your car for $10 anymore
<6> PolarWolf, do you get itchy about the idea having a nuclear power station even 50 miles close to your home?
<7> mario__: No
<6> just a random question...
<6> no?
<6> why not?
<7> mario__: Why would I?
<5> best I can find is ~~500GBP/sq m
<5> 300,000*500=$****LOADSOFCASH
<2> PolarWolf: lol. I shudder to think how much filling a full tank in the uk is - substantially more than $10 though :)
<3> lol
<6> smsie, your getting it all wrong...
<7> DaveHowe: Aye :)
<6> when you have land like that
<5> about 150 million?
<6> the last thing you think of
<6> is selling
<7> DaveHowe: OTOH, we're used to high prices, unlike the USians :)
<6> its a little more than that when i did my own market sniffing
<7> Ethanol is cool to drive on too
<7> And gas
<6> its an honour to have land this big , and land that is green
<5> mario__: just how much of this land do you plan on covering with panels? (and how many panels do you have?)
<7> Naw, we won't be running out of fual for a while. It'll just be way more expensive to make.
<6> i have 3 x 1 sq m panels , automated
<5> ah, okay
<6> they generate close to the theoretical maximum
<5> that's more sane than 300,000 sq m then :)
<6> i am in a testing period
<5> mario__: I'm failing to find anything that can produce 1kw/sq m
<6> it all goes well theres a german company thats going to customize the frames for the panels
<6> the frames move in dozens together
<2> hmm. 92p/l seems to be average price here atm - what is the capacity of an "average" petrol tank?
<7> I guess panels are nice for personal power stations
<3> mario: you can make your own (big) community with that land... man, that is 15x my property..
<5> best I have fgound so far is 1425x990 (just under 1.5sq m) which can manage 190w
<8> hrm....cable comp coming tomorrow to install RR, and I don't have the $50 fee :(
<1> if you want to break the power companies' monoploy you'll get shot for being anti-american
<5> DaveHowe: mine holds 6l :)
<2> smsie: what is that - a pushbike? :)
<6> OldMonk, why ?
<5> DaveHowe: moped, but yes :)
<3> OldMonk: ah no, canada is doing it too..
<5> DaveHowe: smallish cars tend to hold 30-35l or thereabouts
<7> For widespread use, I see more in mirrors
<2> hmm. apparently 15 gal is standard in the us
<7> concentrators to generate heat to drive steam to drive generators
<1> mario__: breaking any large monopoly is anti-american
<6> im not in the states btw
<5> DaveHowe: about 55l then?
<2> seems a bit much though - lets say 12 gallons (around 45 l)
<5> DaveHowe: you have to remember though, about 70-75% of the cst of petrol here is tax
<2> so about $80
<2> smsie: yeah, but even so - us pricing is artificially low
<5> true
<7> DaveHowe: Yeah, and ours is artificially high
<2> PolarWolf: yeah. fuel, tobacco and alcohol are the usual government cash-cows
<6> hahaha
<6> cash-cows
<6> sounds good
<6> :)
<5> let's say, just for the sake of argument, that the "real" cost of petrol is about 25p/l (a fairly round number)
<5> the cost of filling the "average" UK tank (from empty) is about -40 depending on the sizer of the tank
<5> I have no idea how much it costs to fill up in the US
<7> smsie: Oh, the producing cost of petrol is quite well known
<5> of probably all but is tax
<7> smsie: It's like $.35/l or so
<5> PolarWolf: I was excluding all but tax
<7> smsie: Yeah
<5> the same as cigarettes
<7> We're being shook down by our governments
<5> say for a pack of 20, our loving government takes about of that in tax
<7> But I guess that's nothing new
<5> PolarWolf: yep...and we *let* them
<6> am i allowed to post a url here or will i get the boot ?
<7> smsie: Yeah, because we have expensive societies
<5> I dunno, try it and see
<9> I reckon it depends on the url
<5> PolarWolf: I don't mind paying taxc. I want to pay the tax "up front" though. I don't want to pay tax on the same money multiple tiumes
<7> smsie: *nod*
<5> I pay (about) 30% of my earnings in tax. Then when I spend it I pay a further 20% "value added tax". That's not to mention the extra taxes on petrol, beer, etc...
<7> smsie: Yeah, well.
<5> I don't have a problem if the government said "50% of your earnings is income tax" as long as there are no more hidden taxes
<7> smsie: I guess it's just how things work
<10> smsie: I dont even calculate that anymore, I just end up paying like 95% tax here:)
<11> 4round num,ers tend to have zeros if u ask me
<5> let's not mention the extra taxes for local government, and for owning a TV, and for drinking water, etc...
<7> smsie: And to be honest..it actually does work fairly well, except that for some things, like driving a car in particular, I constantly feel I get shafted
<9> Don't mean to butt-in on your conversation, but the real bi**h about taxes is that you save money, money that has already been taxed, and when you accumulate too much in savings, you are taxed for it again..
<5> PolarWolf: it is a con, I hate being conned
<5> ThomasJ: what's a bi**h?
<7> ThomasJ: Yeah, that's why it's more economic to spend your life in debt
<5> if you mean "bitch" then ****ing SAY bitch :)
<5> ThomasJ: but yes, I agree.
<7> I should buy a house I can't afford, and be better off than I am now
<9> smsie: Sorry, but I prefer not cursing in a public venue.. :P
<5> PolarWolf: yeah. I say a society where that is true is m***ively ****ed up though...and not long-term sustainable
<7> smsie: We seem to be doing better than the US, which doesn't have this system
<5> ThomasJ: bi**h is cursing too. It's just cowardly cursing. I don't mind if you curse, but at least have the courage to curse properly :P
<5> PolarWolf: bull****, the US does it too
<6> http://www.powerlight.com/solutions/powerplants_features.php
<7> ****, bitch, cunt, ****, mother****er
<5> PolarWolf: there's income tax, state tax, sales tax...
<7> smsie: Yeah, but..differently :)
<5> PolarWolf: yeah, but it's the same principle
<7> But hey, I'm a techie, not a economic
<5> **** it, let's have a revolution
<7> All I know is that I'm not a millionaire yet
<5> PolarWolf: oh? I'm on my second million
<5> gavce up on the first
<10> PolarWolf: just choose the right currency:)
<7> smsie: Cool, gimme the first then
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