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<0> K_F: I saw that just fine :P
<1> hehe
<0> K_F: anyway... care to suggest one? :P
<1> don't know of any around here, know one in lesund though
<2> that's safer
<3> K_F: quit that
<2> night. I'm off to bed.
<1> Nanuq: quit what?
<0> K_F: hmmm... is there any rules against beer in stores there?
<1> general rules on the percentage
<1> 4.7 percent
<0> K_F: friend of mine from "nordland" has to go to a lutsalg, because they dont have it in stores or something
<3> Cynic: http://www.oddity.ca/~eric/misc/newflat/
<0> K_F: there he learnt that only -old- people drink bayer-beer
<1> Jostein: oh, yeah, each "kommune" can decide, not allowed to have beer in the stores in my home district (Sula) either
<1> g'night whyzzyrd
<0> whyzzyrd: nightie
<0> K_F: that ****s
<0> K_F: but if it means you can get more kinds of beer, I guess it aint all bad
<1> yeah, you have one olutsalg that has a good selection, but it really mean that you go to Aalesund instead (which was 5 minutes away)
<1> I mean, I went to school in Aalesund, so I drove there every day anyways, not to mention that is where all my friends were anyways
<0> yeah
<0> I think going to "polet" is a hastle enough already
<0> I couldnt imagine having to do that for beer as well
<0> Nanuq: need to work on the focus on those pics :P
<1> Jostein: I don't mind going to polet, they have a much greater selection than any store would actually
<4> So do you guys think Vista will increase the Linux market share? :)
<5> Nanuq: cool.. where's the outside-looking-in view?
<1> and it isn't that far away anyways
<0> K_F: I just hate -having- to go there
<1> yeah, I don't like the principle
<0> K_F: If it were optional I'd be all for it
<6> XiViX: you're a traveler?
<1> but they do have nice booze there :)
<4> schitzo: I am.
<7> schitzo: you're thinking of a Visa.
<7> just not capitalized.
<0> K_F: indeed
<7> but, its everywhere you want to be.
<6> D-side: eh?
<4> I sees Vista as a big threat to freedom. We got my wife's computer switched over to Ubuntu already, and i'm about to make the move myself.
<7> schitzo: sorry, thought you were going to **** on the guy.
<7> if we use Vista, the terrists have one.
<7> UGH
<7> WON
<0> XiViX: say goodbye to the possibility of using online movie/tv-show/music-rental or buying
<0> XiViX: you'll need seriously DRMed OS and software to use that
<0> ofcourse, I wont be buying DRMed stuff anyway
<0> but Vista looks pretty nice though
<4> So you think DRM will be a "must have" to participate in media? Haven't the hackers proven over and over that as soon as a protection technology comes out, they can break it in a week?
<7> everything i read about the ****ing thing says its supposed to be pretty good. you know, like every windows review, ever.
<0> XiViX: ok. if you care to remain legal
<0> XiViX: legal
<0> XiViX: somehow I think hollywood have learnt that 64-bit encryption wont cut it this time
<4> I don't see anything morally wrong with buying a movie, and taking whatever steps are necessary to watch it on my own purchased hardware. :P
<0> XiViX: try bruteforcing a 1024-bit scheme
<1> Jostein: tell that to amazon
<0> K_F: huh?
<1> "Sign in using our secure server"
<1> RC4-40
<1> 40 bits encryption
<8> K_F: hah
<1> on https://***ociates.amazon.com/
<8> break out the ole HP calculator just to keep it interesting.
<0> K_F: heh
<0> K_F: thats awesome. it'll deter a hacker 40 milliseconds :P
<9> it doesn't really matter what they use to encrypt it - by definition, players have to be able to decrypt it to play it
<9> it will be secure as long as it takes to hack into a player and extract the decryption sequence or just the decrypted data
<0> DaveHowe: only reason that happened to CSS was because Xing "scrweed up"
<0> DaveHowe: they forgot to protect the keys
<1> not the only
<4> I think there should be an 'Open Source Hollywood' effort, to replace the Commercial version of hollywood, RIAA and MPAA and everything. We can have really great movies that take a programmer to understand, with actors that aren't quite as polished.
<4> to extend the open source concept outside of the software realm ;)
<9> Jostein: they were just the weakest link. they would have found some other package and worked harder to unprotect it
<0> XiViX: you forgot open source horny babes w/silicon
<4> sure, they're welcome too
<10> they *have* to make it decryptable, otherwise players can't play it
<4> But you'll have to know how to patch your own kernel in order to access them.
<4> smsie: Excellent point. Media is meant to be watched. Encryption is a force in opposition to the natural usage of it.
<10> XiViX: for about 5 minutes, and then someone in some country not subject to DMCA will release it prepatched
<9> XiViX: unless they use TPM to make your own cpu hide the data from you...
<0> smsie: yeah. but they are obliged to protect the keys and the algorhytms iirc
<10> Jostein: I don't care how forced they are...it can always be reverse engineered
<0> XiViX: the vista/tpm/drm thing will make it a more daunting task than it has been before
<0> XiViX: no way to run the player in debug-mode and do realtime checking
<0> smsie: lets hope so
<10> Jostein: always has been...
<1> http://www.lafkon.net/tc/
<0> smsie: I sometimes rip DVDs before I watch them because certain restrictions piss me off :P
<1> I presume most have seen that movie, but it is a nice one
<9> but the secret - as with CSS - is to let them commit to the new scheme and sell product based on it, before you release the break
<0> K_F: I think it was kind of weak
<0> K_F: dopesnt really explain to the avarage joe that "you'll be hindered from doing all kinds of legal and useful stuff"
<10> the average joe doesn't care
<10> the average joe is a stupid ****
<1> but the movie is nicely created
<0> K_F: indeed
<10> well, at least an ignorant and lazy ****
<1> and exactly, if it make just one person read more about the subject..
<4> So you think Vista's integration of DRM is actually a compelling reason for the home user to stay with commercialware?
<0> smsie: when he cant copy the music he has bought to his ipod, his car or whatever, he'll be pissed
<0> smsie: oh wait. that has allready happened. noone cared. nevermind
<1> Jostein: I want a movie like that for secure-my-email.com , you don't happend to know someone that would be able to create one? :)
<10> Jostein: sure he will, for about 20 minutes until someone comes up with a workaround
<0> K_F: heh. I know one guy who does film for a living
<4> I think it ****s that in an effort to make software good reliable and accessible to people we are forced to revert to circumvention routines in order to use things we are willing to pay for.
<0> K_F: "9mm film" :P
<1> Jostein: animation or film?
<1> hehe
<0> K_F: film, not animation. but he does more or less everything
<0> K_F: he's made a few musicvideos and what not
<0> he's a total mac-freak
<1> SME was created based on a little script I wrote being inspired by the TC one
<10> I have a fair number of mp3s. I own the CD for most of them. The few I don't I plan to buy the CD when I can find it.
<0> ah
<1> then I remembered that I can't draw and I don't like graphics
<10> that's not strictly legal either
<0> K_F: lol
<1> so it got a textual based site instead :)
<0> K_F: I think I -may- have seen references to it around here :P
<1> Jostein: the site or my lack of interest for graphics? :)
<0> K_F: the site
<1> ah, hehe
<0> K_F: I dont really care that much about graphics
<0> K_F: I use f00bar2000 for music and putty for irc. need I say more?
<1> Jostein: it can be good if it is used to put focus on the rest of the content, a visual aid
<0> I know
<1> it is not good when it is there for the graphics itself, exempli gratia flash, I tend to dislike flash
<0> Im not really that good/interested in hrapgics, but I recognize horrible design when I see it
<1> hehe
<9> you use putty? wouldn't that require you to process the ping/pong challenges by hand?
<0> DaveHowe: putty + ssh + screen + irssi
<10> DaveHowe: it's doable (I've done it)
<10> I wouldn't want to do it for very long of course...
<9> smsie: yeah, it is. not fun though
<0> Ive never done irc in "raw" mode
<10> DaveHowe: of course, I've done smtp and nntp by hand too. Again, not something I do every day :)
<0> I love to do HTTP by telnet though
<0> pretty useful for debugging connections
<4> If i'm concerned about legal, and DRM really goes ahead, the fact of the matter is I would have to switch back to using library books for my entertainment.
<0> DaveHowe: I could use mirc. I use putty
<0> DaveHowe: wherever I use windows and intend to irc, I install putty
<10> putty, the terminal emulator with built in IRC client
<0> DaveHowe: hence the "I use putty"
<4> PRIVMSG Jostein :Really, you do?
<10> I wonder why hasn't added that yet
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