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<0> yeah
<0> thats what i did
<0> you wont believe the crap i came up with
<1> did you expect a different answer?
<2> dweller, apt-get install ... urpmi .... dpkg -i ... rpm -ivh URL.....
<2> plenty of ways to install it
<0> for some reason there's tons of irrelevant docs written in poor html containing "download ktrace"
<0> neh i need the tar.gz ball
<0> apt-get will automatically install it will it not?
<2> what distro are you on?
<0> Centos.
<0> and yeah
<0> i know what ya'll think about it
<0> :)
<2> ktrace being KERNEL trace, or KDE trace (GUI for strace)
<0> kernel trace
<3> groovy...
<2> twonkbat, I really broek the quotes site
<4> I have a 240 watt PSU and the 80 mm fan burnt out on it; do you think I could take a CPU heatsink and using thermal compound attatch it to the bottom outside of the PSU and run it safely as a fanless?
<3> broke it?
<3> how?
<2> good thing i am on a development portion of it, but damn, its broke (the main page)
<2> twonkbat, http://quotesdev.linuxops.net
<2> look at just the main page
<3> oh dear
<2> hehe
<3> do you know what's wrong?
<2> ****in CSS givin me issues
<4> maybe i can step the fan down to 7 volts
<3> Steakk: what's the idea of those logos?
<2> decoration
<2> they are in the right spot
<3> oh right
<2> the text isnt :)
<3> nothing a little concentration can't cure i'm sure :)
<3> but that stuff is expensive
<2> haha
<2> at 1:30 AM, its REAL expensive
<3> 07:25 here -- i've been awake since i came in from the nightclub :/
<5> for me, the later it gets, the cheaper that gets
<3> but that's my fault because i slept in the day
<3> missed a bloody bbq because of that too
<3> like, free food
<2> that does ****
<3> i'm debating now whether or not to stay awake until the proper time to go to bed and put myself back on track
<3> or crash now and risk being awake at the wrong time again
<5> twonkbat, middle ground: have another nap
<3> i'll sleep over, i always do
<3> unless i rig a hammer to the ceiling to smash my head in after three hours
<3> i turn my alarm clock off in my sleep
<6> twonkbat: my trick is to make it that much harder to disable
<6> twonkbat: like, taping a beercap over the off button
<3> spikes?
<3> oh
<3> i've tried hiding it under a lot of old newspapers before but i'm smarter than i thought...
<5> twonkbat, is it beside your bed?
<3> at the moment, yeah
<5> twonkbat, that's, like, the worst possible place for it, you know
<3> but i put it on the floor when i set it
<5> twonkbat, if you can reach it without getting out of bed, that's bad
<5> I learned early on it was necessary to put it on the other side of the room, or I'd just hit it without waking up
<2> omg
<2> i am done
<3> you fixed it? :D
<3> hey, well done :)
<2> I have successfully removed EVERY TABLE from the quotes site, and replaced with with DIV tags and CSS
<2> and that was a lot of ****ing tables
<3> it does look very striking
<2> twonkbat, you are looking at dev, right?
<7> Bah, nothing wrong with using tables
<2> Coma, well, when bossman (oxd) says: remove the ****in tables
<5> tables > div+css, for many tasks
<3> Steakk: looking at the front page you showed me earlier
<2> well, then you remove the tables
<2> twonkbat, go through and use the site now
<2> view quotes, search, etc
<3> is this quotes page new?
<3> or have i just never noticed it before?
<7> Steakk: It's still bul**** if it takes hours of work to get something done in div+css while it takes only minutes to set up a table
<2> Coma, oh, i know
<2> twonkbat, no, i created it about waht, 2 years ago? give/take
<7> And when a customer is paying you by the hour, they really don't mind a table here and there ;)
<5> Steakk, have you validated it yet? ;)
<2> took me about 3 hours to do EVERYTHING then...from scratch...hell, it took me 12 hours to ****in re-do it using CSS
<2> Liandrin, ****, are monkeys flying out of my *** already?!?
<5> Steakk, bah
<7> Steakk: Haha, the w3c checkers will scream at you :P
<3> i like the idea of the rss feed *adds to his thunderbird*
<2> Coma, i just ran it through the w3 validator
<2> 20 errors on the main page alone
<5> I spent a good couple of days arguing with some div+css fu, only to find out that the >only< way to make it work properly was using absolutely-positioned content >.<
<7> Steakk: And was that checking the html or css?
<2> 147 errors if i check a page listing quotes on it
<7> lol
<7> "But it looks good" ;)
<5> your CSS is full of errors, too
<2> Liandrin, how can i check the css?
<5> wow, not even a doctype :P
<5> Steakk, http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fquotesdev.linuxops.net%2F&usermedium=all
<2> i dont know what the doctype even is
<2> so bite me :P
<2> i just write the **** so that `it looks good` (c)
<7> Heh, set it to xhtml 1.1, that'll be fun (though very wrong)
<7> Best thing to use still is html 4.01 strict
<5> I use XHTML 1.0
<7> Jostein: That's just wrong to use
<8><HEAD><TITLE>My Page</TITLE></HEAD><BODY BGCOLOR=Black TEXT=White>Welcome to my page!!!</BODY></HTML>
<5> if you omit the XML declaration it still conforms, and IE doesn't puke on it
<9> Coma: wrong how?
<9> a sane & predictable DOM model is somehow a disadvantage?
<7> Jostein: Because when you send the correct mimetype with apache for xhtml, browsers like ie choke on it
<9> heh
<5> text/html is allowed for XHTML 1.0, I think
<5> it's a mess, that's for sure
<9> I think most servers Ive used have reported ordinary text/html for XHTML as well
<7> Um, no, xhtml should use text/xml
<9> browsers like ie only choke on text/xml
<2> one more cigg, then to bed
<7> That's the whole point
<2> i got the ****in tables taken out, so oxd will be happy w/that for now
<2> tomorrow, i dont know whats on my agenda
<2> perhaps tomorrow, i will do a basic site in XHTML/CSS to learn it a bit better
<7> Jostein: http://www.hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml
<9> Coma: the point of xhtml isnt really for it to "be" xml, more than actually having a predictable DOM model and makes it easier for the browser to parse correctly
<7> Jostein: But when you send xhtml as text/html, it _isn't_ parsed correctly :P
<9> Coma: honestly... Ive always had servers reporting xhtml as text/html and Ive never had any issues
<7> Forget I even mentioned it
<9> heh
<7> Way too hot and humid to argue about anything
<9> heh
<7> Can't take them with on vacation eh?
<10> Coma: moving house, going to stay with $colleague till end of month, then move into a friend's house that he rents out, but hasn't bothered finding tenants for, then into my newly acquired property
<10> Coma: $colleague wouldn't mind cats, but his house would be too wee to keep them in for a month.
<10> Coma: when I move to $friend's house, I'll get em back.
<2> g'nite $*
<7> Aha, perhaps the better for them alright. Atleast you're not shipping them off to the pound
<7> Night, Steakk
<3> Steakk: peace
<5> Coma, http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#media
<7> Well, if even w3c says it's ok to keep using text/html...
<5> Coma, also http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#C_1 (you may omit the XML decl)
<5> Coma, only in 1.0
<7> Any 1.0 or only transitional?
<5> it's not qualified as to which of the three flavours, so all, I presume
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