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<0> that's how speeding works. i always go like 5mph faster than the flow of traffic.
<1> 30mph+ on the interstate around here means you are doing 100mph...
<0> very rarely get problems from police.
<2> Anyone know where I can find some good docs for getting freeradius up and running?
<0> highest we have here is 65, and those are only certain stretches.
<3> With regards to speed I can be brief: we need MORE :)
<4> chez: I found the man page and the bundled configuration file very discriptive
<4> Lion-O: tsk, you can go around holland twice in a day on 2nd gear
<3> wlfshmn: thats besides the point 8)
<5> hehe
<4> Lion-O: you -could- drive to germany and speed around ;)
<3> wlfshmn: yeah.. Only problem is that when I do that those Germans keep tempting me with their superior beer and good meat and... and....
<3> wlfshmn: so I always end up spending way too much on that stuff and getting into the argument "Well, I don't go to Germany that often" :)
<2> anyone here play wow?
<2> Do they use linux or windows servers for their server farms?
<4> chez: now, not even we have -that- little of a life
<2> im just curious as to how they have their stuff setup.
<1> chez: I know that they are using Oracle for the DB backend
<2> if its just one server per realm or entire rack of blades for a realm.
<4> chez: definitly multiple servers per realm
<4> anything else would just be silly
<4> typically you have one or a few regular realm servers and a whole pile of instance servers
<1> chez: Yes, multiple servers per realm... otherwise it would be impossible for them to expand the capabilities of a realm the way they are currently doing to some of the very full ones.
<2> can their client read memory outside of a vm?
<4> eh?
<2> their wow client is basically a fat piece of spyware that can read your computers RAM/HD/whats on your screen, etc.
<2> Does keeping it contained to a VMware box keep it from reading memory not ***igned to the vmware?
<4> chez: yes, but graphics performance in vmwar eisn't gonna make you happy
<4> besides, if you don't like their client, play something else
<1> chez: Apparently their frontends are Windows, and their backends are running Solaris/Oracle. Don't quote me on that though... the backend stuff I am pretty sure about, but the frontend is more suspect.
<2> i've quit playing for awhile, but am trying to find out more about this "warden" of theirs and how it works.
<5> fredk: get in queue
<6> K_F, you a debian guy?
<5> fredk: cant stand the damn thing
<4> fredk: all smart people are ;)
<7> smarter people use *BSD ;)
<5> hehe
<6> wlfshmn, no, all the smart people have better things to do than maintain a debian install :)
<8> morning na pala
<9> slackware ^^
<6> anyways
<5> wlfshmn: I _use_ it, but I tend to prefer gentoo
<7> buahaha
<7> nope
<9> ha ?
<4> K_F: ehh.
<6> Here was my issue, during install debian detected my drives as SDB
<9> what's the reason of kick ?
<2> Im thinking about switching from fc6 to gentoo
<5> wlfshmn: as in , I don't boicott it if I encounter it :)
<6> all fine, now, during reboot it detects them as SDA since I have no USB disk/drive attached.
<5> self-decrypting archives?
<6> And, it wouldnt boot worth **** after =)
<7> chez: ricer linux?
<6> Now, is this issue a hardware related one? Debian related or generally a linux problem?
<2> which ones the ricer linux?
<10> chez: gentoo
<10> gentoo is rice
<1> Hrm... ricer linux... I sort of consider that a toss-up between Gentoo and Slack, myself
<11> fredk: It just won't load past the grub screen?
<10> ufhpc: no, slackware is ****. gentoo is rice
<6> ThomasM, gets me into initramfs :) and I have a barebone system.
<11> fredk: You probably just need to boot to a live/rescue CD, and go in and s/sdb/sda/ on /boot/grub/menu.lst
<1> Ka-bar: Think about the people that build Ricer cars... from that frame of mind, Slack fits the bill better...
<6> ThomasM, y eah, but what about when I enter a cd again?
<6> Having a working such as that is messed up :)
<11> fredk: So your CD gets ***igned SDA if it's connected, otherwise your drive claims that slot?
<6> correct
<11> fredk: I thought it was your USB device that claimed SDA. Your CD drive is USB?
<6> ThomasM, yes
<10> ufhpc: Yeah, I suppose if you're trying to buiild a ricer car out of an AMC Gremlin. . .
<11> fredk: You might just be able to change hotplug settings.
<5> fredk: boot up the cd again and change the udev rules
<1> Ka-bar: And what are most ricer cars built out of? Typically not something of high quality... :)
<6> K_F, so, it's really a debian issue then? :) If they had sane settings within their installer it would work properly ? :)
<5> fredk: not really
<11> Or whatever it is ***igns USB device identifiers.
<10> ufhpc: hondas and toyotas and nissans mostly. not *total* crap. they were at least decent cars when they were built, just not meant for racing.
<5> udev..
<11> fredk: Nah, it's general.
<6> ThomasM, I still like to blame Debian =)
<5> http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
<2> so gentoo is subpar quality?
<6> Isn't the purpose of using volume labelling to avoid this problem?
<5> probably a KERNEL=="sdb", NAME="sda"
<5> as a quick-fix
<6> Yeah
<5> hmm, or DRIVER=="
<5> might be cleaner..
<2> seems to work fine for some of the programmers and a couple of guys here in the office, just takes a little bit to compile everything.
<6> K_F, but shouldnt the installer implement udev properly so this won't be a problem?
<6> or am I off here?
<5> the problem was that you changed the HW in the first place
<6> K_F, in the modern world people change hardware :)
<6> K_F, I didn't really *change* hardware, I just deattached the virtual cdrom
<5> same difference
<5> what you REALLY should do
<5> is to not use sdb/sda at all
<6> but?
<5> /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part1
<5> something like that, depending on position
<4> fredk: I have a bloody annoying promise sata controller in the server.. it's ports show up as sda-sdd in my system and I never know which is whichas if I have all four plugged in, and then remove sda, when I reboot, I'll have sda-sdc and everything is in the wrong place ;)
<12> Hrmzhrm
<6> K_F, yeah, thats what you use disklabels for isnt it? so, wherever it pops up its not important.
<13> wlfshmn: I think you can fix that with udev
<5> fredk: not _exactly_ the same thing, but does the same job I guess..
<5> except if you encounter duplicate disk names
<6> Would I be far off in my judgement if I say that the designers of the kernel shouldnt have found usb as scsi but rather its own subsystem?
<6> I mean, detecting what is designed to be hotplug devices under the scsi subsystem is asking for troubles, isnt it?
<10> fredk: uhhhh... what?
<4> koollman: quite possibly. I just never realize it until I move a disk ,)
<5> fredk: try this...
<6> Ka-bar, I may be far off here, which I respect :)
<13> fredk: scsi is hotplug, too
<14> fredk: no
<5> fredk: cat /sys/block/sdb/size
<6> K_F, I got it working :P I'm just ranting
<14> using scsi is a good idea
<10> fredk: perhaps usb storage devices get looped under scsi, but not usb in general.
<4> the problem would be decreased if there was any logic to the port numbering too.. the way it's wired I think from L to R, it goes port 3, port 1, port 4 port 2
<5> SUBSYSTEM=="block", SYSFS{size}=="SIZE GOTTEN", SYMLINK+="root_disk"
<10> usb is its own subsystem
<6> smsie_, Okay, however, the issues i've seen I surely can't be the only one.
<5> and it'll always be the same
<6> smsie_, dont kow how much you've read of the conversation :)
<14> fredk: abstracting $ransom_storage_device to the scsi subsystem gives the REST of the kernel a nicoe consistent interface to talk to
<6> smsie_, That I fully agree on
<5> smsie_: the problem was that his HDD got moved from sdb to sda when disconnecting the CD-ROM
<14> fredk: yeah, have a word with hotplug and tell it not to do that
<14> fredk: you can tell hotplug to alwayds detect $ID as a certain device IIRC. You do it in some strange config file somewhere non-obvious though. Google will know
<6> smsie_, so we're back to that the gay installer should have done that for me? :)
<14> fredk: unless you tell it otherwise, it just allocates the block devices in sequence
<14> fredk: no, the gay installer shoulf NOT be doing that for you!
<6> hehe
<4> smsie_: did you step down as a DD?
<14> wlfshmn: yeah
<4> ok
<14> wlfshmn: I don't have time to devote
<6> Okay, here's my thing. I expect that with a installer I boot, install and it works when I reboot :)
<14> fredk: not if you're doing strange voodoo it shouldn't
<6> smsie_, having a usb cdrom isnt strange voodoo these days :)
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