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<0> they did it years ago
<1> PolarWolf, not to the end units
<0> as part of a government deal to have bigger profits after the ma bell
<2> fredk_: At least in the areas that matter :P
<0> it's laid to all the CO's and then some. they were forced to.
<2> Oh yeah, forgot. The internet doesn't go beyond the USA.
<3> the cost of fiber, etc, is quickly paid by the proper net dynamics; that's not the point
<2> safemode: The world is bigger than just the US, yaknow :P
<0> and japan has it cheap too.
<0> the internet was invented in the usa.
<4> so they say.. but apparently, it was used in Sweden long before the military got ahold of it
<2> Major urban areas in most western countries are carpetbombed with fiber, but that doesn't mitigate that a large population still runs on 56k dialup
<2> We tend to forget that lots
<0> paper cups and string doesn't count
<3> safemode the internet was invented in the usa <-- and the www in Swiss, so?
<0> bah. this will have to be on hold until later.. gotta run. gf always ruins my conversations
<2> Kick the biatch out
<4> well, CERN supposedly invented it
<5> PolarWolf: World bigger than the USA? You mean they have computers outside of 'mer'ca?
<2> duplex: Apparenty
<4> "With a background of system design in real-time communications and text processing software development, in 1989 he invented the World Wide Web, an internet-based hypermedia initiative for global information sharing. while working at CERN, the European Particle Physics Laboratory. He wrote the first web client (browser-editor) and server in 1990."
<3> safemode: sorry, what does 'gf' mean?
<4> Tim Berners-Lee
<4> but thats odd..
<6> there we go.. a clean kitchen, more or less.. for the first time in modern time
<4> hrm
<1> bah for alot of technologies the US is the last ones to adapt
<5> PolarWolf: Except try to censor it.
<2> duplex: We'll route around that
<7> besides... The Internet is a Pagan rite anyway which soon needs to be banished.
<2> fredk_: So anyway, what's new?
<1> PolarWolf, not much
<1> PolarWolf, sealing datacenter deal
<1> heh
<1> trying to figure out where to buy bandwidth from
<2> fredk_: Ahah, so the deal is still on, eh?
<1> Yeah :)
<2> fredk_: When's the move planned?
<1> PolarWolf, it's not, yet
<1> basically, there's a 3 month cancellation period with Verizon
<1> so, before that ;)
<2> fredk_: Got some big*** trucks reserved yet? :P
<1> haha
<1> we'll probably do each rack seperately
<2> Are you moving the racks, or individual boxes?
<1> A rack can be done in a night
<1> individual boxes
<1> but in preconfigured racks
<2> fredk_: Ew, man
<1> yes, ew ;)
<2> Just pull the rack, put it in a truck, unload at the new datacenter, plug in the network cable and start running again :P
<1> one issue, mci owns the racks :)
<1> and they are interconnected hehe
<2> fredk_: I hope you learned from that and are now buying your own racks with their own easy to access uplink? :)
<1> Yes ;)
<2> Good boy :)
<1> don't plan on moving again, unless I actually build my own datacenter
<1> which, financially doesnt make sense
<1> one thing is the running cost, another is the upfront investment
<1> you can easily invest 4-5 million EUR in a datacenter
<2> fredk_: It would be might cool though
<1> you know how much fun I can have with 5 million EUR?
<2> fredk_: But hey, you probably didn't calculate you had to move out of MCI either, and see where that leaves you now :) Best plan ahead.
<1> true, but there's a difference here. Verizon is
<1> *not* carrier neutral
<2> fredk_: Need a hand? You can hire me for a weekend, yaknow :)
<1> hehe
<1> actually, that's not a bad idea
<1> lol
<7> fredk_: you can hire him to move Shanta :P
<1> hehe
<8> PolarWolf: just find a few upgrades lying around while you;re moving shanta, eh? Those webservers don't really NEED that RAM, do they?
<1> seriously though, I see moving the racks as a "get as much manpower as humanly possible"
<2> I'm too expensive to lug around with hardware
<2> fredk_: You're probably better off with hiring a professional moving company
<1> yeah, nbut dont feel like it :P
<1> I have some xeons with like 8 gig rams
<1> ram
<2> Hehe
<7> "Hey, why are you opening up the cases?" "euh... checking to see if its still running?" :P
<8> those webservers don't need quad xeons either
<2> Don't worry, most movers should know how to handle computer equipment
<2> Just make sure to keep a good administration
<7> fredk_: as a bonus we'll keep our eyes open for people suddenly asking how to dismantle linux boxes ;)
<1> apc has this cool datacenter calculator on their site
<1> haha
<7> fredk_: hmm, apc.. wasn't that aimed at power consumption ?
<1> racks and power distribution/UPS
<1> hhmm, makes me wonder. what part of datacenters are the most expensive to buy?
<2> Actually, I wouldn't mind a weekend trip to Oslo when you pay the hotel and pizza :)
<1> haha
<9> fredk: anything that has a service contract
<1> s/pizza/sushi/? :P
<2> Or arrange a place to sleep
<2> fredk_: Airco and UPS
<1> Tamahome, hehe yeah
<1> a good thing about norway being cold is that for alot of the year cooling will be cheaper
<2> fredk_: Yeah, I should build a datacenter in lappland
<1> haha
<2> fredk_: Cheap land, lots of cooling
<8> PolarWolf: expensive cabling
<1> your clients being moose?
<2> And really, who the hell cares where a datacenter is located?
<2> smsie: Fiber to any major city
<8> PolarWolf: screw it, build the datacentre at the bottom of the atlantic...*easy* to cool
<10> hello. does anyone in here know how to grep speciffic line from an output ?
<2> smsie: Yeah, but that will give access issues :P
<8> PolarWolf: but "who cares where a datacentre is located?" :P
<2> smsie: From a network point of view, you dipwit :)
<8> PolarWolf: ah :)
<2> smsie: Hey, lets go to oslo together :)
<8> PolarWolf: too expensive :)
<2> smsie: Pah
<2> smsie: Just tell fred to pay for the expenses in exchange for moving his crap :P
<2> He can deduct it from the taxes anyway
<2> An easyjet from london to oslo is like what, $25?
<1> :P
<11> afternoon
<12> i want to install linux on laptop what type of power mangment program should i use?
<7> mikoo: the one supplied with your distribution
<1> PolarWolf, he can swim ;)
<12> i heard that linux can harm laptop cause of bad power manegmet is it treu?
<11> mikoo: no.
<8> no
<1> im sure it can make it perform non optimal
<7> mikoo: depends on the laptop and the admin. it is possible to install Linux in an unsafe way which can overheat laptops.
<7> mikoo: but thats not Linux' but the admins doing.
<11> Lion-O: but not *harm* them. The BIOS should take care of that.
<12> is it like in windows?
<7> whyzzyrd: should.. i've seen it happen where certain modules (manually loaded by yours truly) overruled it yet didn't respond as they should. so ;-)
<7> mikoo: nope. www.distrowatch.org / www.tldp.org.
<12> thank you lion-o
<13> guys were you able to enable the infra and bluetooth in linux?
<11> Lion-O: I must admit to never having managed to do such a thing. Stop the fans coming on, making it all warm, yes. Actually stop the thermal shut-off, not yet..
<2> If you manage to override the BIOS's builtin controls, then yes, you can make an OS not spin up fans when they should and fry the CPUs
<11> gyre: I've certainly had irda working at least once before.
<2> Just to give an example
<11> PolarWolf: but the CPU's tend to shut emselves off
<7> whyzzyrd: *nod*. Its really not Linux which is at fault here btw. The several installation guides clearly tell you what to check for and how.
<11> Lion-O: indeed.
<2> whyzzyrd: Is that the CPUs who protect themselves or the BIOS which protects the CPUs?
<7> PolarWolf: hmmm, I think its a dual working.
<11> IIRC P4's do it onboard.
<8> PolarWolf: hehe
<11> but then, I might not remember correctly.
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