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<0> yoz: For a high end mainboard you need the PSU which comes in it
<0> yoz: And yeah, it's a friggen nice case.
<0> yoz: /msg me an email address for said list
<1> PolarWolf: *nod*
<0> whyzzyrd: Aye
<2> PolarWolf: the killer I find is generally good quality hot swap cages
<0> whyzzyrd: Though finding a server for less than 1000EUR with extended warrenty...
<2> PolarWolf: then raid cards.
<3> whyzzyrd, from my experience dell is cheaper than buying separate parts
<1> whyzzyrd: that's exactly what I'd like to compare..
<2> less than 1000EUR, you'll be lucky. Need it rackmount?
<0> whyzzyrd: Yeah. I have something called "Chieftech" now, which looks solid enough
<4> whyzzyrd: make your own cases?
<0> whyzzyrd: And the LSI...well, still need to try it out :)
<2> XyZzY: you'd have to spend *hours* making a case from sheet steel. It'd cost a fortune in time.
<0> Maybe I'll have a go at it tomorrow. Plonk a 4MB S3 card in the box to play the PCIe slot free
<0> whyzzyrd: I want to mill me a brushed alu case some time :)
<5> you show me a dell with 2GB of dual channel DDR + dual core athlon 64 + asus A8N-E mobo (or equiv) + 2x 200GB 16MB cache sata hdds' + 500 watt rms modular psu + fans + heatsinks + nvidia geforce 6600 256MB pci x16
<5> for under 1000 bucks
<3> you're looking for a sub $1000 server?
<0> safemode: Ain't gonna happen :)
<2> safemode: an A64 ain't a server processor.
<1> safemode: skip the athlon then
<0> Getting a top end opteron already accounts for half the system price.
<1> fredk_: around 1000 EUR that's what I want
<0> If you add another...well, there's your 1000EUR already
<3> yoz, rackmountable?
<1> fredk_: nope.. tower.
<5> I dont take "A64" aint a server proc as an excuse. Dell can't provide such a box ..because they'd lose money
<3> yoz, specs?
<3> does it have to be tower or will rackmount work too?
<2> safemode: An A64 doesn't require server quality mobo components. It doesn't require ECC ram for starters.
<5> whyzzyrd: so? that doesn't mean you can't use ecc ram with it
<1> fredk_: no need to be a tower..
<6> whyzzyrd: I'm not totally sold on the value of ECC ram
<5> and ECC ram means ****
<3> yoz, "no need" "or, no it needs to be"
<2> Strider: nor am I, but you find server chipsets require it.
<0> Except when the system you intend to build requires ECC to even boot up
<1> fredk_: sorry, it can be rackmountable as well..
<5> so put ecc ram in it. whooptie doo. my motherboard supports it
<7> you have got to be kidding me
<1> fredk_: would prefer the a tower though!
<3> yoz, if you enjoy dell poweredge 1850 or 1800
<7> Either this is a screen or a putty issue. I scroll up and it just hangs.
<3> dual xeon capable box with scsi
<5> intel boxes make me want to either vomit or laugh ...depending on if someone is telling me i should use one or if someone is telling me how much they paid for one
<1> fredk_: lemme check on their website..
<3> safemode, get over it ;)
<0> safemode: Intel will make AMD have to step up a notch again soonish
<1> fredk_: the 1850 is neat
<2> Hope it's better than the 1750
<3> yoz, I have quite a few of them, and its starting price is fairly low
<5> Wait wait, i got an idea. How about i make a computer with a processor that costs more than the competitor, performs less than the competitor and will cost more to actually operate than the competitor... SWEET
<0> The good news is that AMD has headroom in clock speed, Intel does not :P
<3> whyzzyrd, alot of people think the 1750 was better
<3> (3 drives instead of 2)
<0> fredk_: SAS or regular SCSI?
<3> regular scsi for now
<2> fredk_: Yes, I know. Because you could run raid5.
<8> Sorry, I was off. That was quite rude of me. Appologize for that. Well... PolarWolf, I realy don't know. Each time I try to install it doing: rpm -i xchat-1.6.3-rpm.mandrake-2005,rpm I get errors etc.
<2> fredk_: However, our reseller, after the 2nd 1750 of 3 we bought from them failed, replaced all of them with 2650's.
<2> fredk_: and no more trouble did we have.
<1> fredk_: need something around 1 gig of ram and at least around 80 gigs of diskspace..
<0> yoz: SCSI or will SATA do?
<1> fredk_: scsi as well since it's gonna be a 24/7 box.
<3> yoz, 1850 standard (in norway) comes with 3.0 xeon 2M cache, 74GB scsi, 1GM ram for 8030 NOK
<0> Oh, hmm
<1> fredk_: that's how much in EUR?
<3> 999 EUR :P
<1> fredk_: heh
<5> I got another idea guys. How about we design a processor that performs worse than our previous line, is less efficient than our previous design, and force users to have high power psu's to run just the mainboard. SWEET
<0> 147GB SCSI disks are a bit expensive. And you need two.
<8> PolarWolf: Errors like: other rpm required. RPM's wich is NOT on the list where I've downloaded it.
<1> PolarWolf: would you take sata for servers?
<3> PolarWolf, i've started buying 147GB scsi drives now
<0> pjott: ****s. Welcome to RPM dependency hell.
<8> DAMNIT! >:
<0> yoz: Only on a hardware controller.
<0> yoz: 3Ware makes nice SATA array controllers
<0> fredk_: What do you pay for those?
<8> Well, what if I found the Source Code then. PolarWolf, would you please help me compile it then? I'm kinda.. erm.. noob :P
<3> let me see, the last 1850's I bought was...
<5> depends on your OS. in linux, software raid almost always performs better than hardware. In bsd it's the opposite
<9> Hrmm...I just found a PIII 1.4 GHz processor
<3> 1430 EUR
<0> pjott: No, I won't. I'm sure mandrive comes with a software installer and a manual.
<1> fredk_: lemme check the 1850 with those specs on dell.at
<0> fredk_: Only for the disks?
<8> PolarWolf: aaait ;)
<9> (by found, I mean I opened a file cabnit, and there it was sittin on the bottom)
<3> that's with management, 2 x 140GB scsi, 1GB ram, 2 x 2.8 CPU
<2> safemode: software raid goes quicker until a disk goes phut. The hardware raid controllers are just very sweet when that happens.
<2> Steakk: any use for it?
<0> And you get extra caching
<1> fredk_: I come back to you concerning this box..
<0> And CPU offload
<5> polarwolf: that's with cpu offload
<3> actually, i'm lying to you..that was the second last puurchase
<2> Steakk: ie, have a board it'll go in? 1.4's were larger cache tualatins, taking more grunt.
<3> my last purchase was 1800
<3> EUR
<5> hardware raid controllers work faster in bsd... in linux, the software raid is better.
<3> oh and hardware raid
<0> safemode: Is that a challenge?
<3> yoz, are you going to use it remotely?
<2> safemode: my argument is that software raid isn't better because it doesn't work as gracefully as hardware raid.
<2> fredk: you thinking drac?
<3> whyzzyrd, yep
<3> whyzzyrd, drac on 1850 is really nice
<2> fredk_: that a drac4?
<5> PolarWolf: that's what the benchmarks have already shown
<9> whyzzyrd: I am sure I have a board somewhere that it'll work in
<3> whyzzyrd, yeah
<1> fredk_: it's gonna be on my homenetwork..
<3> yoz, nevermind remote management then ;)
<0> safemode: Must have been pretty crappy controllers then
<2> Steakk: I'm not trying to pinch it off you. I've dual 1G, dual 1.13's and dual 1.26's still in use.
<5> yea, 3ware
<3> PolarWolf, did you see the pricing I showed ya?
<0> fredk_: I will
<1> fredk_: I won't plug a screen / keyboard into it though 8)
<3> yoz, well yeah :)
<9> whyzzyrd: I wasnt thinkin you were tryin to grab it from me
<1> fredk_: are those 15.000 U/Min disks?
<2> yoz: fuxake, don't buy an 1850 for your house. It sounds like a bloody hoover.
<1> whyzzyrd: hah I got a server room ;)
<3> yoz, standard? no..10K
<1> fredk_: mkay..
<3> for 15K it seems to be about EUR100/disk extra
<2> fredk_: do them sound as evil as 1750's?
<3> whyzzyrd, havent heard 1750, but its loudish
<2> fredk_: 1750's are painful to be in an office with.
<3> whyzzyrd, startup is quite loud, but after its started its not too bad
<2> fredk_: It's obvious that the fans are wee, and running hellish fast to keep it cold.
<1> fredk_: those would cost 1258,80 without shipping on dell.at at least if I didn't skip anything
<8> PolarWolf: I'm pretty sure you don't give a rats ***, but may you PLEASE help me? :s
<8> ./configure
<3> yoz, what would?
<8> Then it asks me to type "make". So I do, and I get this
<8> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/pjott/Desktop/lin/x'
<8> make: *** [all] Error 2
<1> fredk_: 1850's
<3> whyzzyrd, 1855 ch***is is LOUD
<3> yoz, hmm they start cheaper here
<2> fredk_: I bet the smaller nm chips are cooler to start with.
<2> fredk_: the 1750 takes 533 bus ones.
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