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<0> mind you, I already stated I am in BOFH mode
<1> StarkiD: wtf is wat and u ? are you bouncy ?
<0> forget it with the subtleness...my favorite player to play .rm files is rm
<0> Just do rm $filename.rm
<0> if it doesn't work as you expect, don't come bitchin' to me
<0> cause you're the asking for advise on IRC from a BOFH
<0> s/vise/vice/
<0> heh
<0> ok...I think I'll go count sheep...
<1> should have offered some ***
<1> bye
<0> as tired as I am, I don't think I will count much higher than 2 or 3
<0> *poof*
<2> Anyone know where i can find a list of text-based programs/applications
<3> ls /usr/bin
<1> tanlaan: how i learned the commands was using bash completion going through the alphabet =-)
<1> a (tab) hmm looks interesting. man $COMMAND
<4> Or you could go through every bin directory and read the manpages for everything found there
<1> lots of free time then
<4> Or just read books
<5> JohN!
<5> s/N/n/
<4> Heyo Eric, whitecap
<5> Coma: what, no hangover?
<1> beer is gone
<4> Nanuq: Nope, yet I feel a lot worse
<4> Figured alcohol would make it only worse, though it might relieve some of the pain
<1> Coma: someone beat on you ?
<4> whitecap: No one would dare to ;)
<4> I sort of did the beating myself
<1> Coma: aye, understand that
<5> ahh, Fight Club
<4> E.g. crashed with my bike at high speed, busting a leg, elbows, shoulder and half my face
<5> Coma: ow?
<1> Coma: bah, learn to ride. i've only ****ed myself up way drunk
<4> whitecap: I _know_ how to ride, been doing it all my life. But sometimes you run into ugly, unsuspected situations where you're just not fast enough to compensate
<5> whitecap: But you see, it's his solo version of Fight Club
<4> Hell, you even see pros crash in the tour de france, they ride a whole lot more than me
<4> lol
<4> Nanuq: I've been acused of that before ;)
<5> whitecap: he beat up on himself, took his hands off the wheel (or in the case, the handles), and wanted to destroy something beautiful (his face.. or the bike)
<1> hmm ? no motor even ? sheesh, wuss ;)
<5> Coma: All except shagging some twisted chick.
<4> whitecap: Heh, the motor on my mountainbike is me ;)
<4> A heavy one at that *grin*
<1> i tought you were talking about a real bike
<4> It's as real as bikes get
<4> I never said motercycle :P
<5> whitecap: Maybe his fingers are all busted up. Maybe he's actually trying to type that he was "riding a dyke"
<1> i ride a mountain bicyce. one of the ways my kids know not to **** with me
<4> Nanuq: Actually, it happened when going down a dike :P
<5> Coma: down on a dike?
<1> not on a dike ?
<5> Coma: Well Carla wasn't that far off
<1> hehehe
<6> any processor gurus here?
<5> that was her name, yeah?
<4> I think we're talking about two different sort of dikes here
<6> i have a question related to hyper-threading
<5> Coma: Maybe it was a dike on a dike?
<5> Tronks: No, writing "HT" on your CPU won't magically add that feature.
<4> Tronks: Just ask and hope someone's capable of answering
<4> Tronks: Though if you're looking for a definite answer, I think arstechnica's forums area better place
<6> ok, i have a program i want to run many times in a hyper-threading enabled cpu
<5> But it quits after two iterations? Talk to its union.
<6> i just wanna know if it is worth that the cpu has HT
<4> Nanuq: And bah, stop making fun of the non-native english speakers, that possibly couldn't know what you mean with dike :P
<6> the program doesn't use threads
<6> but there will be a lot of instances
<5> Coma: Like **** you don't know what a dike is.
<4> Hehehe
<4> Tronks: It still might profit from HT, but that depends on what the app exactly does and what sort of locking it uses
<6> it is a speech recognition engine
<5> Coma: Though I'm certain you know now.
<5> Sphinx?
<6> nope, it is a japanese one
<4> Nanuq: Oh, I do, but still
<1> Nanuq: he hasn't answered yet
<6> what do you mean by locking, coma?
<5> whitecap: who, and which, and what?
<4> You can't expect everyone to know english idioms
<5> Coma: just english idiots?
<4> Plenty of those about alright ;)
<4> Tronks: To access certain bits in the kernel, it sometimes needs solitary access, therefor locking it. That'll stop any other thread/process from accessing that bit, for example
<1> Nanuq: what Coma meant about going down on or going down a
<5> Tronks: Do you have the system in question, right now?
<4> Tronks: That'd result in many processes being on hold, waiting for one to complete
<4> whitecap: I even know that! :P
<6> nanuq: yes, i do
<5> Tronks: Then why the **** are you asking us for? Test the damned thing yourself.
<6> :D
<5> Tronks: You can disable HT easier than joining this channel. :P
<6> but i don't know how to disable HT
<4> whitecap: It's just that I literally meant going down a dike
<5> Tronks: In the BIOS?
<6> oh, really?
<4> Or you could disable HT support in the kernel
<1> Coma: just giving you **** ;)
<5> Coma: Or that, yes.
<4> whitecap: Already have enough of that for the moment, thank you very much :P
<1> hehe
<5> Tronks: If you really want a kick, and if you have access to the source, try compiling it with Intel's C++ compiler
<6> but, generally, multithreaded apps are the ones that benefit more from HT, right?
<5> Tronks: that'll give you 5-15% right off the bat
<5> Tronks: Yes.
<1> damn, should have got 12 instead of 6 more
<4> whitecap: And had you finished those 12 you'd still be wishing for more
<6> nanuq: you mean instead of gcc?
<5> Tronks: Yup.
<5> Tronks: Unless you're intending to use it commercially, then you get to pay for Intel's compiler. $500 last I checked.
<1> Coma: nah, another 2 or 3 would work fine though
<6> nanuq: is it freely available?
<5> Tronks: For non-commercial and/or testing purposes, yes.
<4> whitecap: I'm skipping this one
<6> Nanuq: oh, i'm actually intending to use it for commercial use :(
<4> Dunno if it's due to my injuries, but smoked one last night and it nearly knocked me off my socks
<1> sweet
<5> Tronks: Well then stick with gcc 3.4.6. I'm not sure if 4.x adds any extra speed, but you can look into that.
<6> Nanuq: the thing is that I have to choose a nice machine for evaluation, so I am considering buying one with HT or not
<5> Tronks: Ahh, okay.
<5> Tronks: Is this some sort of embedded whatever?
<6> Nanuq: not necessarily
<6> Nanuq: is the HT vulnerability fixed already, anyway?
<5> Tronks: if you're on a budget, you'd be better off with a single CPU AMD solution. frankly, HT doesn't live up to Intel's hype.
<7> hello, can i ask one question, begginer question..
<4> Only heavilty threaded apps would
<5> Coma: even then
<5> Coma: depends on the OS, too, eh? how well it handles context switching.
<6> Nanuq: there's no major problem with the budget
<4> Yeah, depends on what exactly the app's for and what it does
<3> On the other hand, hyperthreading means I got to run make -j16 today.
<5> zetawoof: I can run that on a p166, what's your point?
<6> Nanuq: I am going to buy dual core, anyway
<3> Nanuq: Without being stupid
<4> It's still fun to turn on HT on a dual xeon, make it appear it's got 4 cpus and show off your bogomips ;)
<5> I wouldn't look at HT as a selling point.
<4> Nanuq: Well, once it was, just like the higher the clock speed, the better
<3> Coma: Two dual-core Xeons plus hyperthreading gives you *eight* logical CPUs.
<6> but I read that Intel is giving up HT already
<5> Tronks: Plus NetBurst
<3> Tronks: Yeah, it was only really necessary on the P4
<5> Tronks: Core Duo 2 might be worth consideration, for sure.
<4> zetawoof: No, no, a normal dual xeon, as in two cpus, not a dual dual core ;)
<5> Tronks: Low power, very high performance.
<4> zetawoof: Do those dualcores even still have HT?
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