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<0> ha!
<1> Nanuq: i know my choice but not yours
<0> Emerson: Mine has a timer. I want bluetooth support.
<2> Anyway, shopping time
<3> Coma: no leaving!
<3> Nanuq: I don't know of a coffee machine with bluetooth
<2> Hah, stop me if you dare
<4> any rpm lover around here?
<4> i guess no
<3> lol
<4> ok, i see that yum is what fedora uses
<4> sigh
<0> Emerson: I'd think the k-cups themselves would be handy.
<3> Nanuq: nod
<0> Tronks: there is apt for RH, yes. that's all I know.
<0> Emerson: 'cause you know, measuring out coffee takes so much effort.
<0> Emerson: even bringing it up to my lips does. I should just go the IV route.
<4> Nanuq: is it apt-rpm?
<0> Tronks: What did I just say?
<0> That's all I know. I don't use and haven't used anything from RH since RH 3.0.3.
<0> Well I think I did try 5.2 at one point.
<4> Nanuq: what are you using now?
<3> Nanuq: I'm running at up for over 24 hours, I need a coffee IV at this point
<3> damn, i might as well just have said, "I'm at 24hr up time" .. if I'm gonna refer to myself as a computer, might as well go all the way
<5> Emerson: http://www.meadjohnson.com/professional/products/cafcit.html
<3> zetawoof: lol
<0> Tronks: Hrm.. exactly what I'm sitting in front of, or using?
<4> Nanuq: what distro
<0> Tronks: I'm using NetBSD. :)
<3> "linux is linux unless it's FreeBSD"
<4> Nanuq: is that your favorite?
<0> Emerson: **** that. FreeBSD stopped being a valid option since 5.x.
<3> Nanuq: really?
<0> Tronks: It's a toss-up between that and a tight Solaris install.
<3> Nanuq: i'm a personal fan of Slowaris 10
<4> Nanuq: that's to geek for me, I'll stick with Ubuntu :P
<0> Tronks: If I must use Linux, then it's Debian. Everytime I think another distro is going to wow me, it doesn't. I wind up going back to Debian.
<0> Emerson: It's not slow. You know, you don't install that piece of **** called X, you cut most of the crap Sun ships to make administration more confusing.. it rocks
<0> Emerson: IOW, once you replace most of it with GNU..
<3> Nanuq: for a linux server I agree with you... but for desktop, ubuntu has impresed me
<0> Emerson: For the desktop, I use Windows. Period.
<3> Nanuq: I can't stand MSWindows it gives me a headache
<0> Emerson: Unless a serial terminal counts as a desktop.
<4> Nanuq: It's the first time I know someone whose favorite system is NetBSD but uses Windows for the desktop
<0> Tronks: I thought you liked apt
<4> Nanuq
<4> Nanuq: yeah, Ubuntu has apt-get
<0> Tronks: I love NetBSD, I like Solaris, and I don't mind Linux. What I hate about all three of these is something called X11. I haven't used it or considered it since about 2001.
<4> Nanuq: ubuntu is debian-based
<0> I'd rather cope with Windows, which includes a half decent windowing system, and has half decent drivers available that work with it, not against it.
<4> Nanuq: then try Xorg
<0> Tronks: Same ****, different package.
<4> Nanuq: have you ever tried Dapper?
<0> Tronks: Frankly, Ubuntu is a pile of ****. See above for one reason why I consider this so.
<4> Nanuq: X windowing?
<4> Nanuq: and what is so special about Windows windowing system?
<0> Tronks: It actually works? Plus, I can run real, decent applications on Windows?
<0> Tronks: Instead of these half-working buggy turds that p*** for applications?
<4> Nanuq: c'mon, let me just say Windows ****s
<0> Tronks: It's not perfect, no.
<4> Nanuq: the registry in first place ****s hard
<0> Tronks: I take the best of what's available though.
<0> Tronks: I made my choice in 2001. I check back time to time, and so far nothing has improved.
<4> Nanuq: i cannot agree with you
<4> Nanuq: it's hard to believe that distros in 2001 are the same as now
<4> Nanuq: I've myself tried to move to Linux many times
<0> Tronks: That OSS zealotry can fog ones vision at times.
<4> Nanuq: and it hasn't been till Ubuntu was released that I switched
<4> Nanuq: give me an example of decent application
<0> Tronks: I'll give you an example of indecent applications. They all start with 'g', 'k' or 'x'.
<4> Nanuq: you don't have to use those
<4> Nanuq: you have zillions of alternatives in the OSS community
<4> Nanuq: you don't have to use the applications that come with gnome or kde
<0> Tronks: As I stated, they're all useless.
<4> Nanuq: well, that's your point of view
<4> Nanuq: but I cannot agree
<4> Nanuq: every day there's someone switching from Linux to Windows
<0> and I bet, while two other switch back
<4> Nanuq: Vista is gonna be a mess
<4> and anyway, why Windows and not OS X?
<4> that is even better than Linux
<0> hardware
<4> hardware? what do you mean?
<3> damn, SBC didn't resolve the issue.. back to the old server we go
<3> ok, what the **** ... after replacing anything that would normally cause a "freeze with no erro" it still freezes with no erro, and it's not overheating
<0> Emerson: power?
<6> ram?
<3> Nanuq: reason we are going back to the old server ..
<3> tojoe: it's a SBC
<6> and?
<3> tojoe: replaced it
<0> Emerson: I mean, the PSU..
<6> oh
<3> Nanuq: yeah, this 4u chasis has the 3+1 PSUs built into the chasis
<0> Tronks: I don't want someone limiting what hardware I can run, and charging me a fortune to do so?
<4> Nanuq: macbooks are cheap
<0> Tronks: Haha, you're a ****ing comedian.
<0> Tronks: Rolling in the yen are we?
<4> Nanuq: actually I live in Japan :P
<0> that's why I said yen
<4> yeah
<3> here is the tech layout of the system ... psu -> backplane -> SBC -> network boards ... the backplane or PSUs could be the problem, but that is what was wrong with the old server (voltage based issues that was emitting an alarm but no true failure)
<4> Nanuq: ok, forget it
<4> Nanuq: stick to Windows
<4> Nanuq: but I foresee a fall of the Empire
<4> Nanuq: and a rise of OSS
<0> Tronks: I'm not saying I'm a fan of Microsoft. Certainly not.
<0> Tronks: I use what I consider the best available.
<4> Nanuq: well, of course it depends on your use
<4> Nanuq: for my use, Linux is the best alternative
<4> Nanuq: there's nothing Windows can give me that Ubuntu can't
<7> BSOD?
<4> Nanuq: anyway, I won't understand your opinion about OSS
<5> Pizbit: naw, there's the xscreensaver module for that
<0> Tronks: The concept is great, some parts of it are great. Some aspects, though.. they just don't ****ing _get it_.
<7> zetawoof: Yeah, but if you move your mouse it goes away
<0> Pizbit: Well, I can't say that happens to me.
<7> Nanuq: I've had a few bsods on my desktop due to some odd driver thing with the wireless card but other than that, nothing
<4> Nanuq: tell me what's wrong with firefox, for example
<0> Nothing. I use that.
<4> well, that's OSS
<0> What the **** did I just say?
<0> Forget it. Talk to the paw.
<4> you said they don't get it
<7> No he didn't.
<8> Calm down guys :)
<4> what did firefox didn't get?
<7> Anyway, you're trolling
<5> Tronks: <0> "The concept is great, _SOME PARTS OF IT ARE GREAT_. Some aspects, though.. they just don't ****ing get it." [emphasis mine]
<0> Pizbit: Not completely true, and I can be irrational on this subject. Cope with it.
<4> Nanuq: just because the concept is great you should try to use the software
<4> Nanuq: and help the community
<4> Nanuq: I can live without some extra functionality
<7> Nanuq: Er, I was referring to him but anyway:P
<4> Nanuq: and I like to see how the projects evolve
<0> Tronks: I am helping. I'm going to keep slagging this and that until it's fixed. When I shut up, we're grand.
<0> Pizbit: I know.
<0> Pizbit: I'm saying, don't accuse him of trolling.
<5> Tronks: Do explain to me how using a program "helps the community". It doesn't.
<4> zetawoof: why not? does it help if you don't?
<4> zetawoof: if you use it and find bugs, doesn't that help if you report them?
<0> It tends not to be a single app, or lack of a single app that holds me back. It's these ****ing pissing matches that each developer holds against each other. Would you walk on a bridge built by an OSS developer? I sure as **** wouldn't. They might decide to up and abandon the project half way through, leave out a couple sections.
<5> That's not using a program, though. That's something else.
<0> If it's a simple bridge that's complete, sure. Those are OSS projects that I actually use.
<5> 99% of users don't.
<4> zetawoof: plus some "great job guys" really helps when you are considering quiting the project
<9> I wish i can buy Taepodong-2 missiles on eBay
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