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<0> hm, is there a package to do the equivalent of C++ lint on xml?
<1> smsie: ahh. our firewall is pixy.
<2> Viking667: content blocking
<3> I think so, Tamahome_
<1> Viking667: pr0n blocker
<4> Tamahome_: yes, open source? dunno
<1> Viking667: if you're canny you can get around them quite easily, so they're a waste of space.
<3> Tamahome_: though as "XML" has to be "well-formed" anyhow, any parser worth its salt...
<2> whyzzyrd: if it only blocked pr0n, I wouldn't care. It blocks ****ing everyhting I might want to see
<1> smsie: ahh, you naughty hacker you.
<0> Viking: yeah I'm having problems making XHTML "well formed"
<5> Ugh, I hate that smsie, when I worked at Philips they started doing that too.
<5> It blocked *everything* that wasn't "business related".
<3> Tamahome_: ahhhh huh. Tried using nvu as an editor?
<4> well there are XML checkers that validate against the schema.
<2> whyzzyrd: well, it used to anyway. I was *begged* to fix the proxy when it broke and they couldn't fix it and senior management were getting pissed off. So I had root on the proxy box for a while. Strangely websense seems to *completely* ignore stuff from my host now



<5> lol
<5> nice
<2> it's NOT my ****ing job to fix their badly configured squid instance
<6> XyZzY: xmlstarlet is a nice little utility package that can do just that on the command line, and is nicely debianized ;)
<0> do <li> list items have a way of doing levels of indentation?, it seems you can't nest <ul>'s in XHTML Strict
<2> I wouldn't mind...you have to work HARD to misconfigure squid...
<4> what's really a PITA is when they block 'chat' sites. most of the best fixes for stuff are on those sites
<3> Tamahome_: huh? you can't?
<0> Viking: not according to W3C Validator
<7> how do i make the xterm history unlimited? currently it only shows as many lines fit on the window.
<3> owww.
<3> lonetron: probably a commandswitch
<4> wlfshmn: wish I had that about a year ago. had a XML project then.
<4> Tamahome_: just put in another <ul/ol> tag and go on
<0> Xyzzy: they DON'T NEST.
<0> which part of that did you miss?
<8> I remember when Compaq bought DEC and Compaq imposed their web filtering on us. They blocked ESR's web site because it mentioned guns. After a bit of revolt from the troops, we put an end to that ****.
<6> XyZzY: I have a little project that scrapes some nastylooking websites, does tag balancing, spits out xhtml, runs that through an xsl/t transform, and sends the result to a webapp of mine for importing in the database ;)
<3> ohhh. Wrap the damn thing in a <li></li> pair
<2> Tamahome_: they DO nest. As long as they're in an item
<0> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fgonzo.sfarc.net%2F%7Esean%2Fmrpcsubs%2Fview.php%3Fitem%3D1&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&ss=1 <-- here's the validator output from the page I'm trying to fix up
<4> Tamahome_: yes they do, just tried it
<3> i.e. <ul><li>first</li><li><ul><li>Second level, first item</li></ul></li>
<3> ...
<0> wait OMIGOD AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
<0> nevermind, I see what I did wrong
<2> Tamahome_: you MUST have an endtag </li>
<0> yes, yes...
<4> heheheh
<3> Tamahome_: oookay. What did you doL
<3> s/L/\?/
<2> strict, every tag has to be closed
<2> no such thing as implicit tag closures no more :)
<3> heh.
<2> even **** like <br> has to be closed these days
<3> Why doesn't <br /> work?
<2> Viking667: it does. That's "closed"
<6> smsie: I could never get it into my head -not- cto close tags
<3> ahhh.
<2> Viking667: <br> alone used to be valid. Not any more
<3> Right. It's time I left.
<3> smsie: mmmmmm. True.
<4> that's one thing I noticed about html produced by 'mozilla -edit' it will fix some types of tags without closures.
<3> Time I left, anyhow. Lots of luck, Tamahome_
<2> Viking667: similarly, <img src="foo.png"> used to be valid. No more...
<3> I use <img "blag"></img>
<3> Dunno why, just seemed right.
<9> I used <img "blag" />
<2> both are errors :)
<9> Err.
<10> Viking667: some browsers will complain about <img></img>
<2> but only because <img "blag... is complere bollocks :)
<3> mrm.
<9> <img src="http://www.blag.com/blag.jpg"; />
<3> Right. Gotta go.
<3> bye.
<2> CancerMan: yeah, I tend to prefer that



<6> smsie: xhtml is a lot nicer though.
<10> smsie: <img ... /> is valid both html and xhtml
<2> killall-9: <img "blag" /> is NOT
<10> ?
<10> why not?
<6> smsie: people just need to stop building HTML pages by stuffing raw text into a buffer, and get with the program and use a dom ;)
<1> aye, but xhtml is only valid if it's served with the correct content type. And if it is, IE don't render it.
<2> killall-9: because "blag" is utterly meaningless there
<10> iirc ie renders correctly application/html+xml
<2> killall-9: <img src="blag /> is valid
<10> smsie: oh, i didn't know that was verbatim
<4> eg need the src=
<6> smsie: what do you mean? "blag" has all the requireds and renders fine in IE, for example?
<2> killall-9: I dunno that it was, I was being pedantic though (which in a discussion about the exact syntax of html elements is, I think, perfectly valid of me
<1> killall-9: I thought XHTML was text/xhtml, or application/xhtml
<6> smsie: err, I ment http://wlfshmn.homeip.net/~wlfshmn/sherlock/ ofcourse
<6> smsie: or maybe it's served as html.. I forget
<6> ah yes, html it seems
<11> isn't it safest to just serve text/html and let the <!DOCTYPE/> handle the rest?
<0> there we go, I fixed it. sorry for the outburst :|
<2> wlfshmn: you're on crack. <img "blag"> is not now, nor has it EVER BEEN valid HTML XHTML STRICT TRANSITIONAL *anything*
<6> smsie: misspaste. calm down ;)
<2> wlfshmn: <img src="blag"> is a different matter :)
<2> hehe
<10> make clean ddebug install-noapi
<10> ahhh, sorry
<4> Tamahome_: frustrating how a simple omission is
<2> $ make sense
<2> make: *** No rule to make target ense'. Stop.
<2> grr, bloody screen
<2> keeps eating my backticks
<10> make help
<10> Usual make targets:
<10> all engine contrib modules clients apidocs test everything install uninstall install-noapi install-root uninstall-root clean distclean cvsclean (avoid this one!) debug ddebug xdebug (carefull!) snapshot tarball
<8> make reformatall
<9> make ****it
<0> make reboot installwixp
<0> s/wi/win/
<9> make explode
<4> make frankenstein
<9> make tart\ cup\ of\ tea
<4> STNG: make Earl\ Grey\ -\ Hot
<4> Jostein: Capt Picard always had Earl Grey tea
<12> yes. I just dont see where the escaping comes from :P
<1> Jostein: command line
<4> well I hope to hell that a starship as powerfull as the Enterprise does not run MS-windows for starships
<12> whyzzyrd: I got into this in the middle, ok :P
<0> xyzzy: LOL
<12> I didnt get the full story "make" thing
<4> well on second thought, maybe it does... that's why it kept breaking down so much
<0> wb Eric
<6> meh.. damn it, for some reason my domino configuration UI refuses to launch onmy remote xserver
<13> heh
<13> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-6046475.html?tag=nl
<13> re Sean, wlf
<5> That's an interesting article.
<5> I'd want whomever wrote xmms to work for me, heh.
<5> X seriously needs to be revamped
<5> Anyone else getting disconnected from AIM?
<14> no
<15> yeah, been happening all day
<5> It's weird, I have two accounts online with GAIM, only one is constantly getting booted.
<16> hello
<16> anyone here worked with pppoe?
<17> yeah.. IM's been flaky all day
<16> I'm have access to net thru pppoe (mac +user&p***) and a real ip (80.90..). Can I make my box a pppoe server and give someone access to internet?
<18> Mike4sho: why use a 'pppoe server' ? Just setup NAT.
<18> Mike4sho: so, use pppoe to connect, then use NAT to give others access, easy as that.
<16> so I should be able to give other people net acces, right?
<18> sure. should be easy, check www.iptables.org for that.
<16> do I need dhcpd for it?
<18> Mike4sho: not perse, it depends.


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