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<0> hmm. I need a good CSS editor, me thinks
<1> fredk-: I dont feel like goin asleep until its done
<2> wlfy: no such thing
<1> wlfshmn: VS2k5 :P
<3> any fedora user here?
<0> Jostein: Something under 2GB please ;)
<4> DeamonminD: no, there are no fedora users on the planet
<2> wlfy: (although, Dreamwrecker comes close)
<1> wlfshmn: hehehe
<0> Jostein: and ofcourse FOSS ;)
<0> Tamahome: decidedly commercial though. I'm not about to spend money on it. I'm a cheap bastard, see
<3> in network connection wat we are supposed to give in PREFIX?
<2> all the free HTML editors I've ever used have been ****
<1> Tamahome: dreamweaver makes any code thats is humanly readable afterwards?
<5> Jostein, the comments are readable
<0> Jostein: It's not like I'm not going to edit the editors output by hand as well
<0> Jostein: I need an editor to better provide me with my options and perhaps a nice better way of previewing results
<1> wlfshmn: I see. but as the biggest regular MS whore in here, I do -all- my work in VS2k5 these days :P
<2> ditto
<2> VS2k5 pwns.
<0> Jostein: I have that software at work, but I'm not about to contaminate my home system for the sake of a CSS editor ;)
<1> wlfshmn: hehe
<0> actually come to think of it..
<2> Jostein: me
<2> I shell in to gonzo (Coma's machine) for IRC
<6> reality: you still here? tbh i didn't get any smarter.
<1> Tamahome: I have a BSD box running though. So Im not entirely un-nix :P
<0> Jostein: I've got my server(s)
<0> Jostein: but I rarely use linux on the desktop these days..
<1> wlfshmn: I have a simple philosophy. Use what gets the job done, and use what you know well
<0> Jostein: for graphical apps, I have an xvncserver on the server that I can access, althoguh I mostly use it for torrents ;)
<7> Jostein: sorta
<1> wlfshmn: Im NOT setting up some honeypot just to be l33t :P
<0> Jostein: honestly, my home coding iand stuff could be done equally well on linux
<7> Jostein: the only linux box I have isn't at this location
<0> Jostein: I'm a javahead after all
<7> Jostein: prior to two weeks ago, I hadn't that
<1> wlfshmn: heh
<7> Jostein: Win2K/XP, Solaris and NetBSD
<1> wlfshmn: I figured what you posted the other day was jsp, even though Ive never seen it :P
<0> Jostein: I've got a linux server because I find myself needing all sorts of services, and a perosnal server at home is by far the best solution
<1> Nanuq: I tried Solaris. Never worked out for me.
<0> Jostein: the zidane-stuff?
<1> yeah
<7> Jostein: Solaris rocks once you get rid of all the Sun crapola management tools
<1> heh
<7> Jostein: bring it to more of a SunOS 4 environment
<0> Jostein: yeah, it was a line of JSP of sorts
<2> Java...EVIL
<0> Jostein: these days JSP is pretty much a specialized XML document though
<7> Jostein: I don't mean their version of sed, ps, etc. I mean all the GUI crap.
<2> I used to have Solaris 7 X86 on a dual Celeron 400... it was nice
<1> Tamahome: Java is nice, but I prefer .NET
<1> Nanuq: figured
<2> Jostein: I like .NET... I only do Java if I have no other choice
<1> wlfshmn: same can be said for ASP.NET :P
<0> Jostein: I havn't seen ASP in -ages-
<1> Tamahome: count yourself lucky. I have to deal with VB and VBscript in my line of work
<0> Jostein: and by ages, I'm talking VS6 ;)
<2> Jostein: erm, m'dear... so do I.
<1> wlfshmn: heheh
<1> Tamahome: oh well. then you know WHY I like .NET :P
<2> Jostein: I'm an ASP Cl***ic developer now... trying to push .NET at work
<1> Im pretty much happy what I accomplished at a random meeting I was invited to today
<1> s/was/wasn't/
<1> Since Ill be in charge of developing the new website for our company (in addition to the intranet)... I made sure our new site will be 100% XHTML + CSS
<1> convinced management that it will be waaay easier to maintain
<2> we have quite a number of sies that don't validate @ W3C
<7> Jostein: or at least, keep you busy
<2> s/sies/sites
<1> so whoever developer on my team decides to use visual designer, generating crap code... I can with management authority tell to quit that **** :P
<1> s/tell/tell him/
<0> my current stuff doesn't vlaidate, unfortunatley.. but webdeisgn isn't my primary concern right now.. i just want basic CSS to get the layout and shape of things.. tweakage to make tihngs conform come last
<7> As I've said, my primary design tool is touch. Everything validates.
<1> I rarely if ever make stuff that doesnt validate, but then again on my -personal- sites I give a total **** if things aint 100% in IE. they will have to be now
<1> as for personal sites... if IE does 95% correct, Im not tweaking/bending the CSS any firther
<1> further
<0> Jostein: hmm.. it seems my IDE has extensive html7css edit capabilities on it's own..
<1> but I'll probably need loads of evil hacks to make this corporate front-end the exact way our graphic designer wants me to
<1> Im still not sure about the JS that will be required... Too long since I did serious JS to know if that will require the same amount of hacking
<8> yo peoples
<8> Eriq
<2> Kim
<8> Sean
<8> whatever-Jostein's-name-is
<1> Its actually Jostein
<8> Jostein: your first name? OK, hi Jostein :)
<9> I can't change etc/modules
<1> Cynic: yeah. :P
<9> some instructions I'm following say to open the root terminal
<9> but it isn't where they say it should be
<9> I did found a terminal that gives me a prompt
<9> someway to login as root in that ?
<1> $ su -
<10> hi people
<11> Jostein: and, and, and?
<11> Jostein: give us ALL the information!
<12> Who got laid?
<12> Lion-O.
<11> syn-ack: Jostein tried to logon as root
<1> Lion-O: if you dont visit my site, you dont deserve to know!
<11> Jostein: but, but, but... I visit your irc server every day ;)
<1> Lion-O: I only have ONE dutch IP subscribing to my buggy RSS feed damnit :P
<12> Jostein: which p***word did you use and all that jive?
<12> I know your URL so, thats not a big deal. I just want the p***. :p
<1> syn-ack: iDontMindPornAtAllNoSiree
<12> The funny part is that that probably is the p***
<13> i wish windows servers would cease to exist
<1> bhab: HEY!
<12> bbiab
<2> I'd be out of a job
<1> bhab: I absolutely LOVE my win2k3ee sever
<1> server
<2> but yeah, I like my 2K3 box too
<13> ok, so fine, windows servers have some things they do well, like sharepoint, and exchange, and ... AD, but only for printers and centrallized auth.
<13> they just don't scale well.
<11> lol
<1> bhab: I love .NET. I need a -real- .NET capable server :P
<13> and their dns/dhcp implrementation is crap.
<11> bhab: not for the people who only know Windows from clicking.
<11> there is more to Windows than the mere mouse. And in what way is IIS' dns implementation crap? it speaks the protocol, and I can hook it up with my Bind DNS without problems.
<2> it HAS to be good, AD is so dependant on DNS being good
<1> yeah, as AD without DNS sorta doesnt work :P
<2> "sorta"
<13> it speaks the protocol kinda wrong, though. it doesn't do dynamic updates properly for anything else but windows, it returns SERVFAIL when it should return NXDOMAIN ... a couple other things that i can't remember off the top of my head.
<11> Ka-bar: defending, defending.. It has its uses IMO. And when some clueb starts trashing it without even being able and give solid arguments....
<11> bhab: thats new to me.
<11> Tamahome: hmmm... the full version is good. I like how it goes from a "cl***ic theme" to a somewhat different approach and then shifts right back.
<11> just don't want to hear it too often 8)
<11> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/interopmigration/linux/mvc/cfgbind.mspx?mfr=true
<11> but there is indeed more
<1> bhab: as far as windows track record goes, Id say its mostly the desktop OS (and its users) that fail. windows servers are OK
<11> for example; http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/ntbugtraq/2000-q1/0194.html
<11> but afaik there are no big issues between them. the reason I think so is that I've been playing with this for some time now between Bind9 (Linux/Solaris) and Win2k3.
<2> I've been debating turning my Server 2003 box into an AD domain controller, but XPMCE can't join domains so there isn't much point
<13> Lion-O: thanks for the interop migration article -- that will come in very handy.
<0> wtf.. a new firefox -agian-
<2> 1.5.0.5?
<2> hallo cheeksy *hugs*
<14> is there any linux torrent client to be used in console mode? I don't have x on my box nor a monitor.
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