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<0> :(
<0> config_eth0=( "192.168.13.13 netmask 255.255.240.0 brd 192.168.13.255" )
<0> does that look ok to you ?
<1> depends.
<0> well i have no clue what to do... how do i check the firewall ?
<1> RTFM comes to mind.
<0> rtfm what?
<1> it heavily depends on your distribution. And since all of them come with a userguide.
<0> gentoo
<0> well i didn't modify anything, what are the odds it blocks something on default config?
<1> a lot.
<2> man I really love denyhosts now
<2> no more worries about ssh haxors
<0> so there's no firewall on gentoo.. any ideas on how to troubleshoot this ?
<1> no firewall on gentoo?
<1> impossible. Every Linux distribution has a firewall.
<0> no i mean there's nothing blocked
<0> unless you do it
<1> I didn't do anything
<1> but if you don't have a firewall... omg.. Maybe the box was h4x0red :P
<1> but seriously; I'd look into K_F-'s solution
<3> Anyone here know... of a good place to download rpm's of GCC (and glibc-devel) for a redhat "enterpri$e" distribution? (Nahant update 2)
<1> Q1: if you're using RHEL then its shipped with the distro itself.
<3> Thats what I keep telling them.. :-( they of course, insist I can download it from some place. (I'm a slackware guy myself)
<1> who are "they" ?
<4> Q1: can you tell how to make work adsl on slackware 10.2?
<1> besides; RHEL isn't freely available for download.
<5> lion-o: www.centos.org
<1> exel: thats not RHEL :P
<3> Hmm.. adsl maybe? I know it's possible because I did it once with slackware.
<4> yes
<3> It's an ISP with a dedicated server type outfit. They insist I can download it from redhat.com.
<3> If I could get gcc and it's requirements.. I can go about installing the stuff I need w/out dealing with RPM's. :-)
<1> Q1: doubtfull. Its likely to break the system.
<3> Lion-O: Thats rather what I thought.. and.. I figure "upgrading" their glibc will break practically everything else.
<3> Hmm... know of a good diplomatic way to shake an ISP by their shoulders until they make the RPM's available? :-)
<6> wtf does an isp do with a warezed distro which he cant get any support in terms of security updates?
<1> starts to smell fishy indeed
<3> Hmm... good point. Accuse them of using a warez copy?
<6> do you have a license? then get the stuff along with the latest updates from redhat
<6> if not, it's warez
<7>
<8> ****
<1> yeah!
<8> If I were to tell that I had $telco_guys by my house today, and I -still- have no DSL, would anyone believe me?
<3> tojoe: I don't have the license, My relation is rather like a subcontractor.
<8> Q1: you do have a bold colon though
<9> easy on the bold colon
<5> tojoe: I'm not actually sure if the RHEL license forbids running it without a license, I think it is more a matter of getting access to their update service and support yes or no.
<5> tojoe: the RPMs themselves are just compiled GPL programs, after all.
<6> exel could be, but do you want another well connected kiddie playground on the net?
<1> Jostein: *wave*
<5> Q1: if you want a legal way out, this is what you do
<8> its not like its 9pm soon already... *sigh*
<5> Q1: get the yum rpm and the repository rpm from CentOS, install them and set up yum to leech from CentOS
<5> Q1: i've upgraded RHEL machines purely with CentOS RPMs before and it worked with no problems.
<5> Q1: I'd question an ISP that installs a machine for its customers with no appearantly simple way to run security updates, that borders on criminal.
<3> Hmm... CentOS is "compatible"? I guess I could try that. I'm glad you folks are bringing up the legal questions... if they don't co-operate, I can just contact redhat and ask them directly.. (pointing out the ISP's host and such) that gives me a bit of an edge. :-)
<1> exel: unless the customers themselves are responsible
<1> exel: and we have an example of a kiddie trying to install gcc because the server doesn't ship with that
<5> lion-o: then they shouldn't install RHEL without selling a license :)
<1> exel: why not?
<3> Hadn't thought of that angle. :-)
<5> lion-o: because it's a useless insecure lump of metal without access to up2date.
<10> uncle Pim :)
<1> exel: Whats stopping an ISP from setting up RHEL, presenting it to $customer but keeping control of the environment?
<5> lion-o: by giving root to the customer?:)
<1> exel: have we established that fact yet?
<3> Well, I need the compiler to compile a custom apache with PHP 5.n as well as some XML tools.
<5> lion-o: I'm not ***uming the worst yet ;)
<3> I'm not a script kiddie, just to clarify that.
<1> Q1: and as such drop any security updates from RH ?
<6> Q1 install centos, use the centosplus repo, install php5 from it, done
<5> no need to install centos
<1> Apache + PHP without any security updates. I consider that nuts.
<5> you can just use the centosplus rpms
<11> wtf is centosplus
<5> lion-o: well that's where it's nice to establish whether the ISP does the updates or not, but I'm ***uming not if he has root and up2date doesn't work for him
<6> Revenger a repository with extra packages not provided by rh
<11> ach so
<1> exel: oh well, virtual machines will soon move that into new directions
<5> lion-o: s/will soon/already have/
<5> lion-o: I can tell you horror-stories of the VPS network here
<1> exel: not in the way I'm talking about :P
<5> lion-o: in what way are you, then?
<1> exel: horror? cool! shoot ;)
<5> lion-o: imagine 40 servers with 20 virtual nodes on them each
<10> exel: aiiiie!
<5> lion-o: now imagine bloody plesk that installs insecue versions of mambo by default
<5> lion-o: now imagine our abuse box ;)
<3> I need gcc.. (I just don't trust any RPM of apache)
<5> Q1: so go to a centos mirror and download gcc from there, satisfy any dependencies and you're go.
<12> Lion-O: That's because it is nuts.
<12> Lion-O: only a lunatic would do that.
<1> Q1: And you also don't trust the Apache shipped with RHEL itself?
<1> whyzzyrd: hmm ?
<3> I've got up2date... never used it though.. (Like I said.. I'm usually slackware oriented)
<12> Revenger: sounds like yet another fork of a mess.
<3> I was thinking I'd have to do an 'rpm -i' gcc-whatver.rpm (thats how I did it years ago when I last used RPM's)
<13> greysector also has a yum repository of things that aren't in the standard fedora releases
<5> q1: sheez, did you even _try_ up2date?
<5> q1: try "up2date install gcc"
<5> q1: if that works I want you to iron your hands
<12> hmm?
<3> No, I've just never been fond of the RPM based apaches.. I have a build system I like to use for those.
<1> Q1: you're an idiot.
<1> Q1: "build system" as in: install once and run forever? Thats the way boxes get compromised and abused for spamming and such crap.
<5> lion-o: you're ***uming he never updates
<5> lion-o: did he run your wagon through the mud or something? :)
<1> exel: indeed I am. Simple ***umption considering the trouble he has to grab gcc.
<1> exel: I just dislike cluebie admins with a p***ion because I see the end result of their stupidity every day in my mailbox.
<5> lion-o: I see your cluebie-admins and I raise you cluebie-coders.
<3> No worries.. I'll probably iron my own hands if it does! thanks for the tip! (It wants a GPG key though..)
<1> exel: Hardly a raise, IMO the two go hand in hand.
<3> I havent' touched an RPM system in YEARS..
<5> q1: there is an RPM-GPG-KEY which you must fetch off the redhat ftp site.
<5> then you can use rpm --import
<3> No, I have a build system.. keeps track of configure options and logs.. so.. I always know how something was built AND any errors/warnings from the build process.
<14> Lion-O: hence, a raise - yours, plus this extra :P
<3> Anyhow.. off to explore up2date.
<5> but really, go read a bit about the distro you're using
<5> it will help you oodles if you do not treat it as a slackware box
<5> because, really, it isn't
<5> lion-o: a cluebie admin can be undone by a simple reinstall. A complete financial backend written by a cluebie coder is a horror that lasts for years before you can yank it out proper.
<1> exel: and who installed that backend ?
<5> the coder himself of course, because there were only cluebie admins ;)
<1> exel: then we're not merely talking about a cluebie coder anymore. Usually software gets tested before being put to use, which normally wields out most irregularities.
<5> tested.
<5> bwahaha
<1> exel: I do agree with the re-install part though, but in the real world how often does that happen?
<5> we're talking "open the php file through ftp, save it back to ftp... on the production server" here :)
<15> who in the hell tests code? If it compiles ship the bitch
<16> morning all!
<10> exel: gaytarded
<5> tamahome: have I told you yet about how he stores some data as serialized php arrays inside a mysql field yet? :)
<10> I dread to think.
<5> now let me tell you about the time management wanted more product options ;)
<15> exel: have you sent this to DailyWTF yet?
<5> you can see where this is going.. :)
<10> ...indeed
<5> schitzo: I've been very tempted :)
<1> schitzo: no, he can't since this is his company secret ;)
<5> libolt: thank god you don't have root on any of them ;)
<1> exel: seriously though... And why can't system administration push the breaks here?
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