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<0> deriaN: read the installation instructions for it
<1> deriaN: RTFM comes to mind.
<2> I found a proftd.conf on the internet an i cant figure out what SQLLOG is can't anyone tell me how I install it
<0> deriaN: get a new brain first
<0> Your's is expired
<1> deriaN: brainiac sells them.
<3> Why oh ****ing Why do users never ever ever ever ever send the _2_ things I tell them to submit, the log and config dump for the update client, and only always send the ****ing log, which is useless most of the time without the c onfig dump. ****ing morons just don't know how to ****ing read.
<2> I sold it yesterday..
<0> Falchion: they know how to, just too lazy to actually do it
<1> deriaN: Sold teh what?
<3> Bjprn-: His brain.
<0> hmm, some nice chicks walking by here..
<4> mmmm, butter chicken
<3> K_F: No, they're too stupid to do it. The ****ing config dump button is right next to the log button on the log tab.
<0> hehe
<5> !
<1> another **** joins the $chan
<1> dumbi dumb dumb dumb
<6> AlexeyHTK: English, thanks.
<3> hahah Microsoft just called us.
<0> fun
<0> what did they want?
<0> except your soal
<0> soul*
<3> One min, on phone with them
<1> They know how to use the phone?
<1> WOW!
<7> haha
<8> evenin all.
<3> They need to test a poopload of Vista servers and stuff apparently, and the guy is using our service to do so. So he had all kinds of questions about our stuff.
<9> Hmmm, Vista is a server product now?
<9> Longhorn, probably
<3> I shoudl have lied and given him incorrect info and spoken in a ****ed up acccent. Just liek when I've had to call MS or had to be on a three-way with MS.
<3> PolarWolf: Yep.
<8> Vista is going to ****. I can see it now. The only one that worked right after NT was 2000.
<9> We'll see
<10> it doesn't *have* to ****...it probably will, but you never know, they might get it mostly right
<9> Yeah. And they might give it away for free, too
<6> I really can't complain too much about XP, personally.
<10> I seriously doubt *that*
<10> D-side: *now*, sure. It had *m***ive* problems to start with...which scared a lot of corporates away from deploying it wholesale
<6> I'm only speaking from a recreational desktop user, not corporate usage.
<6> + standpoint
<8> D-side : I had a busy day at work the night MSBlast kicked in, believe me.
<6> oh, well yeah true enough.
<0> well, I do remember a certain US govt branch that tried to m***-upgrade some boxes, routed the signals wrong and got 50,000 BSODs
<0> damn I'm glad I don't work in that IT dept..
<9> It happens.
<8> hehe
<0> well, only some years since they misrouted a format command for the datacenter of the banking central in norway
<9> Deploy a policy wrong and you render an entire domain useless
<0> god damn banks were paralyzed for 14 days
<11> besides which - win2k is still good enough for everything a business could want - why pay to upgrade machines to a fluffier os without good cause?
<9> Design and security doesn't make up for sheer stupidity and sloppiness :P
<0> they are forced to, DaveHowe
<8> With upgrades and advancement in CPU technology we can now be viewing BSOD at 100 times the speed of only 5 years ago
<0> licensing..
<10> K_F: no, they really *aren't* forced to. MS has tried that before and been slapped down *hard*
<3> Next time MS calls, I'm asking for free stuff, damnit.
<0> Falchion: I got a nice collection of DVDs from them, VS2005 Beta2, SQL Server, team foundation server
<0> (some time ago now, when that was actually new)
<11> smsie: well, no - apart from the fact you can't get security patches for the insecure **** they sold you before, and now must buy *different* insecure **** just so you can keep on the patch treadmill....
<3> K_F: Me too :) But I want Vista, damnit.
<0> Falchion: ...... WHY?
<11> linux-on-the-desktop is a nice theory, but still not up to spec in practice
<0> it is a POS
<6> DaveHowe: indeed.
<9> That ain't gonna happen anytime soon
<10> MS: "You have to upgrade, we're EOLing 2k next year" big corps: "**** that...we'll run it unsupported, XP won't run half our stuff" MS: "Oh, well, umm, maybe we were a bit hasty, let's rephrase that a bit...we *recommend* you upgrade, but we will of course continue to support 2k which is a core product"
<3> K_F: Gaming. And because I want anything I can get free.
<0> DaveHowe: I've used it for years
<0> ... and I don't play games
<12> DaveHowe: but the "linux-on-my-desktop" is a big hit :)
<0> Falchion: still, I'd presume vista uses too much resources, you're better off with XP
<9> Gaming. The biggest non-reason in existance
<3> PolarWolf: I disagree.
<12> PolarWolf: Hmm, I don't think that companies like Eidos agree :)
<10> all Linux was really missing was a productivity suite. OOo is starting to get there
<11> K_F: for corporates, its a non-starter. just too many business critical packages don't run unless you run windows
<3> Gaming is ALWAYS a valid answer :)
<10> now all that's holding it back is inertia really
<9> Falchion: I prefer to ignore home lusers; the battle is won and lost on the corporate desk :)
<0> DaveHowe: depends, are you requiring to use Microsoft Office or a productivity suite
<10> DaveHowe: enter Citrix... :)
<0> usually it is just due to a lack of looking for alternatives
<3> PolarWolf: hehe You'd don't game at work?!? :)
<0> and becoming too product-centered rather than product-solving-oriented
<0> problem-solving*
<9> Falchion: Yeah, I daily play with 15kEUR servers :)
<0> arrgh
<10> usually it's a lack of *believing* there are alternatives in the first place. The MS marketting guys are geniuses
<0> smsie: jup
<11> K_F: not talking office stuff like workflow management has a large backstream, and the payware WFM companies don't want to make it easy for you to migrate to the free alternateives...
<9> Falchion: We play games of locking random groups of users from network services :)
<3> K_F: You can get hundreds of videos/tutorials for Windows that the average person can follow. Don't see many Linux ones like that. There's a reason Video Professor sells MS tutorials and not Linux. heh
<3> PolarWolf: That IS fun, I'll agree. heh
<11> K_F: and even with office - OO still isn't anywhere near 100% compatable with MS office
<0> Falchion: that isn't accurate around here
<0> DaveHowe: and why would it be
<10> Falchion: the average office worker doesn;t know how to run Window either...that's why they have an IT department!
<10> they know how to use a handful of apps. They can use Linux apps just as easily
<11> K_F: it doesn't matter - what matters is that it isn't. the fact MS are arranging for this to be true doesn't alter the fact
<0> DaveHowe: people shouldn't be sending .doc files in the first place
<13> Damn, cell phones are cheap in Germany
<10> I think the day is coming (and soon) when we'll see MS Office on Linux
<9> DaveHowe: That compatibility pipe dream has to be let go someday
<3> smsie: No, they can USE windows, they just can't maintain it. There's a difference.
<11> PolarWolf: its a brave CIO who is willing to try
<10> Falchion: they can USE Linux just as easily. It's pretty much the same from a luser perspective
<3> smsie: We have it for OSX so Office for Linux would be nice.
<9> It ain't gonna happen. The way out of that is to force MS to be comnpatible with *, not the other way around. ODF is a nice start,
<10> MS backpedalled on that rather fast
<11> PolarWolf: even that wouldn't help. there are still millions of office 97 users out there
<10> they can backpedal when business reality bites them
<14> DaveHowe: which is hideous.
<9> Now if every government would enforce ODF, the businesses will follow
<3> smsie: But its not. Things ARE different. then again, we'd have to rename any web browser on their system to Internet Explorer, just so they'd know how to web broswe. heh
<10> Falchion: lusers aren't *that* stupid :)
<11> kosmo: granted. but its a business fact. if you can't accept their documents, they will just do business with someone who can
<3> smsie: Wanna wager on that? :P
<10> Falchion: they're perfectly capable of remembering "this icon for web browser"
<3> smsie: I had to name Firefox "Click This For The Internet" on my neighbor's computer so she knows where to click. heh
<11> ATM, this lot are the name of my pain - - > http://www.metastorm.com/
<3> smsie: I do support for a living. You are grossly over-estimating users.
<11> its a web delivered workflow system
<4> Falchion he just has different users
<0> it is just a matter of failed conditions
<0> Falchion presumes the users are familiar with windows
<3> f3ew: heh
<0> several schools around here have switched to linux for one thing
<0> so the students gets familiar with linux instead of windows, which turns the situation around
<3> K_F: Several, sure. Most though? Doubful.
<0> University of Oslo for one
<0> the debian Edu project started as a norwegian project
<10> it doesn't need to be "most"
<0> and 3 counties translated OOo
<3> K_F: Bah, that isn't in America. If it ain't here in the US of good Ol' A, it doesn't count ;)
<0> **** America
<11> there *is* more crap than that keeping us windoze-bound, but that's the main one
<10> it just has to be a few...a few is enough to shatter the myth that there's only one choice
<3> K_F: **** non-america!
<0> I don't give a damn about America untill they can fix the damn budget deficensies
<0> each citizen is so indebted they should be ashamed
<3> K_F: Each citizen is so indebted we shoudl be ashamed? Uh. I'm not so indebted that I shoudl be ashamed...
<0> do you live in the US?
<0> .... in whic case, read your govt budget a bit closer..
<0> which*
<3> K_F: _I_ am not indebted.
<0> if it wasn't for the USD being used for so much trade it would have depreciated quite a lot more
<0> and the EUR is taking over much of it
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