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<0> hey Liandrin, smsie
<1> smsie: advanced tweaking options, mostly
<2> has anyone ever set up 3 screens? I have ATI Radeon with 2 screens and now I want to put in an extra PCI card
<3> that make sense if you have different monitors
<1> smsie, e.g., you can tweak the refresh rates at 0.1 Hz tolerance to stabilize the beating between the two monitors' attempts to display the same frequency
<4> Liandrin: ah
<5> m000
<6> Liandrin: we need the tweaks to get the 4 21" trinitrons to play nice all next to each other.
<1> whyzzyrd, hm, yes, I can imagine that
<1> whyzzyrd, I've never actually had more than two heads on a box
<4> I guess I can rollback the drivers if there's a problem
<3> smsie: you would just delete them probably, and windows detects it again
<0> whyz, db2
<1> whyzzyrd, I was about to go triple-head at a former job, but got laid off between "got monitor and card" and "got time to set up the third head"
<4> K_F: I've had windows go a bit berserk when I try to pull stuff like that in the past
<3> smsie: XP?
<4> K_F: yep
<7> KF: errors and warnings, the driver is for kernels 2.6 and above, no i didnt compile the kernel
<4> if all else fails I'll just spend a week reinstalling the bitch :)
<1> the problem with just deleting the device and letting Windows re-autodetect is that third-party drivers get blended into the autodetect pool
<3> wamty: 2.6 and above is too vague
<1> so it'll reinstall the Matrox drivers
<3> wamty: and you probably should
<4> Liandrin: yep
<1> (not the addon bits, just the display driver proper)
<3> wamty: do you even have the kernel header files installed?
<4> ah well
<4> it's windows, if it breaks it's only to be expected
<3> Liandrin: I said delete the driver though, not the device
<4> although my windows systems rarely break these days
<7> uname -a shows 2.6.10-1.771_FC2
<7> i am on kernel.org, but it isnt obvious to me which is suitable for FC2
<7> or is that a stupid question
<4> K_F: the problem is that the driver is still in the detection pool, so it will detect that it needs that driver you just deleted and whine like **** when it can't find it
<3> wamty: it is
<6> smsie: putting the real matrox driver on a windoze box is unlikely to fux0r it.
<3> wamty: but possibly not for the reason you think about. the thing is, if you have to ask you will most likely not succeed in building your own kernel
<4> whyzzyrd: I've seen strange window behaviour with the real matrox drivers before. (maximising across both monitors and no apparent way to dissuade it is the prime example)
<6> smsie: ahh. never had that myself, except with b0rk apps.
<6> smsie: dialog boxes that span both screens are always amusing too.
<4> whyzzyrd: yeah, I've had that too...bloody annoying
<6> smsie: and x-chat doesn't understand being on the 2nd head. its menus all appear on the primary.
<6> smsie: which is good for a giggle. Outlook Express does the same.
<6> sadcheeks: coming down with the post-drinky blues?
<8> no
<7> do i need to somehow include the drivers i have already downloaded for my wlan card when i recompile?
<8> i have other things to be sad over.
<4> wonderful
<8> sometimes you want to help, but yet you are helpless.
<4> second head died
<4> "illegal signal frequency"
<6> smsie: uh?
<6> smsie: it even enabled?
<3> wamty: no
<3> wamty: they might be there though
<4> whyzzyrd: yep
<1> there's an option for the Matrox drivers whether the separate heads are welded together in the driver to produce one mega-head, or whether it provides separate heads to Windows
<8> ah merci, quoi.
<1> the former option leads to all sorts of craziness
<4> Liandrin: yeah, I've tried setting that. It's doing another reboot
<6> Liandrin: indeed so.
<7> `echo 1 >> /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/autoeject` before `mount /dev/cdrom` ejects the cd imediatelly. Is this a bug, or autoeject must be set to 1 after mounting the device ?
<6> sadcheeks: so, what do you feel so helpless over?
<8> whyzzyrd: things.
<1> wamty, probably a design quirk
<1> I've usually found that autoeject is more annoying than helpful, myself
<3> yeah, autoeject is just a pita
<1> especially when you're doing things like ripping an audio CD track by track
<1> open, rip, close -- ooh, time to eject! -- open, go to rip next track, oops, no media in the drive
<9> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000551.html <--- ooo, cool computer desk
<4> well, a second reboot appears to make it work
<4> I think
<6> smsie: uh? Why you cursing me?
<6> smsie: you installed em. I always do, they always work for me.
<4> whyzzyrd: yeah, they work now
<6> smsie: I've probably installed em so many times that I tick all the right boxes the first time, without thinking.
<10> smsie: in your defense, xwin *did* "just work" for you, when it wouldn't for me....
<4> ah, I appear to need a dx reinstall too
<4> DaveHowe: yeah, it recognises authority when it feels the enter key :)
<6> Gary Glitter.
<3> whyzzyrd: hehe, oh?
<10> 9.0c is still current, isn't it?
<4> wtf?!
<3> whyzzyrd: Rock and Roll?
<4> "validation required"!
<6> yup
<3> whyzzyrd: it is nice programming music
<10> smsie: yeah - "genuine windoze advantage"
<3> whyzzyrd: it increases the pace
<10> smsie: insists you download an applet to check you are really running windoze and not wine or something
<6> K_F: pity he's just been jailed for kiddy-fiddling.
<4> DaveHowe: ah
<6> DaveHowe: there's a javascript straight into the urlbar fix, if you google for it.
<3> whyzzyrd: heh, I had not heard that
<4> I really don't care that much
<4> it's a valid legal windows
<10> whyzzyrd: yeah; was just explaining , I ***umed smsie could google a solution from there... :)
<6> smsie: I only once have ever had to use the "fix". On a computer belonging to a nun, who couldn't *find* the box..
<4> yeah, click the little "install validation tool" link :)
<4> perfect solution
<3> DaveHowe: actually wine validates
<1> it's pretty trivial to defeat the "genuine Windows" thing
<11> k_f: hah! i challenge you on that claim :)
<4> K_F: he moved to vietnam in the hope that they'd put up with it...they jailed him last month for ****ing some 9 year old girls
<1> I used to have all sorts of eclectic music
<3> smsie: ouch
<1> then the drive with my music collection on it died :(
<10> K_F: its a ms "solution" - what did you expect?
<4> Liandrin: I'm sure. It *IS* genuine windows though, and I really don't care enough to spend effort byp***ing it :)
<3> DaveHowe: it really only checks XP, wine simulates win9x
<6> K_F: 2k now too
<1> there was some stuff in my collection, too, that I'm not sure how I'll ever find again
<3> whyzzyrd: ah,ok, thank you for the update. I'm not really following it too closely, don't have any windows computers left anyways
<1> DaveHowe, the backup volume exceeded my backup capacity by several orders of magnitude
<1> DaveHowe, just the MP3s alone was ~60 GB
<10> Liandrin: you don't have a burner of any description?
<1> DaveHowe, and I didn't fancy burning, say, 250 CDs to back it all up
<1> (yes, I know that number is exaggerated)
<10> 15 dvd-r?
<1> well, yes, but I didn't get a DVD drive until more than a year after I'd already *lost* my music collection
<4> nope
<4> no d3d available :(
<4> ah well
<6> smsie: Wonder whatsup with it.
<1> smsie, on my machine, the software renderer outperforms Matrox's 3D hardware
<1> smsie, superb 2D performance, abysmal 3D
<6> Liandrin: woulld hardly be hard
<9> heh, yeah Matrox isn't even in the running anymore, unless you shell out for a Parhelia
<1> for about 98% of my purposes, "superb 2D" is what I want
<6> Liandrin: me too. But sometimes, things can be just that bit cooler with 3D.
<1> but I probably would play more games if they didn't perform so terribly
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