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<0> DaveHowe: I see no reason to not use VPN over encrypted transport within the LAN ;)
<1> Injunction: or use the dot operator
<0> DaveHowe: It's easier for me not to have to worry about who is inside or outside the server network ;)
<2> DaveHowe, it says command not found when ijust type its name/
<3> DaveHowe: blah...at least you'll be able to recognise stuff like (g^a mod p)^b mod p = (g^b mod p)^a mod p then you see it
<4> Injunction: so specify the current path.
<5> DaveHowe: you on the enigma breakers list?
<2> okay i will try that
<1> whyzzyrd: no
<6> wlfshmn: http://www.garden.no
<1> smsie: didn't I have a t-shirt of that? :)
<7> hmph
<2> Hmm, it says permission denied but I am logged in as root
<2> that is, permission denied when i used the full path
<8> Hello
<8> how can i tell what Wireless extension version my kernel is built with?
<4> Injunction: then you're likely not permitted to start it.
<3> DaveHowe: umm, not that I ever saw. You had the RSA t shirt at one point
<0> K_F: humm, mp5s..
<2> Lion-O, if I am logged in as root, why wouldn't I be permitted to be?
<8> Any ideas folks?
<4> Injunction: could be caused by a dozen reasons. If this is your box you should know.
<6> wlfshmn: mp5 and ag3 iirc
<2> It is a dedicated server I am paying for.
<6> but the mp5 is good for stopping people without it being fatal
<4> Injunction: amazing.
<2> I am trying to run a remote desktop application
<4> Injunction: time to check if the error came from the application or from the system.
<9> hi
<2> How would I determine that Lion-O
<4> Injunction: depends, the application for starters.
<2> Are you familiar with vncserver?
<4> Injunction: how come you're administrating a box, trying to setup an application, without any basic knowledge of the system?
<4> Injunction: this isn't merely stupid, its likely to get you into big problems. Especially if this box is connected to the Internet.
<1> Injunction: we all are. it appears however that you are not
<0> K_F: fatalr or not depends quite a bit on how you use it, but an SMG-sized weapon is certainly more usefull than a rifle for close protection
<2> Well, i am hosting several web pages from it and wanted to be able to manipulate the server more easily than i can via ssh.
<1> Injunction: you would be better served learning about basic execution permissions for file (the ls and chmod manpages) before worrying about specific applications
<6> wlfshmn: exactly
<5> DaveHowe: http://www.bytereef.org/m4_project.html
<1> what could be easier than ssh? :)
<4> Injunction: and the part on securing that server is postponed untill somewhere next year huh?
<2> i get it. remote desktop = bad idea for somebody who knows next to nothing.
<8> how can i tell what Wireless extension version my kernel is built with?
<1> Injunction: more importantly, there are few gui based admin tools worth worrying about - webmin is itself a webpage, so all you need is a web browser
<1> Injunction: BUT you should run that only on loopback, and use ssh to reach it
<2> okay, thank you for the advie
<2> advice
<1> Injunction: besides, you can run ssh to forward x-enabled apps to your local host so they run on your own (local) xserver, rather than a projected desktop
<2> Well I don't know how to do that, DaveHowe, so I thought there might be an equivelant of pcAnywhere for Linux.
<1> Injunction: there are, yes. in fact, both the rdp (ms terminal services / metaframe protocol) and vnc protocol are supported as servers
<6> why bother, just to use SSH
<1> Injunction: but x is native to linux/*nix, and some x apps won't run properly if projected via vnc or rdp
<6> if you can't administer a Linux computer using SSH you shouldn't be responsible for a dedicated server
<6> it ends up as Just another SpamBox(tm)
<1> Injunction: besides, guis are the exception on servers - you normally use an ssh
<4> K_F: or worse.
<6> Lion-O: refering to DDoS-Box?
<1> K_F: we all had to start somewhere. but I suspect Injunction needs to start by learning more basic principles before he jumps into adminning a web-visible box
<4> K_F: for example, yeah.
<6> indeed
<10> Some unixes do not admister well from the command line, OS X, Red Hat Enterprise, SuSE enterprise to name a few
<4> lachat: nonsense.
<6> DaveHowe: he should start with a computer on a local network behind firewalls
<1> Injunction: you should consider getting a Knoppix cd, booting it locally, and learning the basics first
<6> Injunction: http://www.tldp.org , read both the System Administrator's guide and the Network administrator guide
<6> commonly referred to as the SAG and NAG
<4> lachat: when it comes to administrating, say, Apache I'm always confronted with the apache config file (/etc/apache/httpd.conf or similiar) and the several entries I need for the websites.
<6> lachat: huh?
<10> I find those to be much easier to do from the GUI. OS/X flie shareing is almost immpossible to do from the Comamnd line
<4> lachat: no matter the distribution, I'm *always* contronted with this file for Apache. So if you find some diistrbution "hard toconfig" its not the distribution, but your own lack of understanding.
<6> lachat: that is only a limitation in your level of knowledge
<4> almost impossible? Is it *so* hard to edit smb.conf ?
<6> been some while since I used samba actually
<1> K_F: for os/x it might be the exception - I haven't tried it, but if anyone could make a *nix hard to administer from shell, apple could :)
<6> DaveHowe: nah, I've provided tech-support for enough OS X boxes
<10> No, there are a few more to handle dealing with the forks for the MACS. It can be done from the command line; but even Apple won't document it
<6> and what is the OS/X thingie? OS/2?
<4> DaveHowe: hehe :P well, if its build from the basic components like Samba and the likes it shouldn't be much harder.
<6> that reminds me of SWIFT
<2> Is there a program i can run on the linux machine to make sure it is not getting exploited or used as a spam box?
<6> Injunction: it is called a knowledgable administrator
<4> Injunction: depends. There are a few IDS systems but all of those are useless if you have no understanding of the system.
<10> Red Hat can be a bitch; if you try to edit the standard file, it usually doesn't work. Although you can use specialized cl tools
<1> Lion-O: or like the abomination that is DeadRat, where the usual config files are overwritten on boot from a propriatory config db?
<2> well, i'll just hope for the best. i had to go with a dedicated server because my application manipulates images and is resource intensive
<4> DaveHowe: Even that can be controllable, although that might break things ;)
<6> Injunction: so hire someone to maintain it for you
<8> i have built the 80211 stack and that gave no errors, but when i try to build the rt2x00 modules, i get lots of errors...anyone willing to help me on this one?
<8> the problem is , i dont really know the right questions to ask so need a little prompting guys
<8> when i run make in the directory indicated in the readme, i get several errors related to rt2400pci (but i m not using a pci card - im using a usb one) so can i ignore those errors.
<8> but i dont know if subsquent processes are running correctly
<8> i cant see an rt2500usb.ko so dont know if it is being created
<5> taggart: off
<8> (where would i look if it isnt in the same directory that i ran 'make')
<11> whyzzyrd ?
<5> taggart: You said "/me on"
<11> Starting SMB services: /etc/init.d/functions: line 83: 2405 Aborted $nice $*
<8> Any ideas?
<11> any one have any idea why my smb don't want to start
<11> if i type smbd -D will start
<4> taggart: check its logfiles.
<6> wamty: 1) are they warnings or errors , 2) you might have to edit the makefile 3) is the driver supposed to work for your kernel version 4) did you compile the kernel yourself?
<6> 5) if (4) == yes: are you using different compile flags for the kernel and the module?
<11> but don't want to start after reboot
<6> taggart: don't reboot it then
<11> Apr 2 20:02:36 server smbd[2405]: #3 smbd(init_guest_info+0x65) [0xafa6be]
<11> Apr 2 20:02:36 server smbd[2405]: #4 smbd(main+0x2a7) [0xb35fb3]
<11> Apr 2 20:02:36 server smbd[2405]: #5 /lib/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xc6) [0x60ede6]
<11> Apr 2 20:02:36 server smbd[2405]: #6 smbd [0x9344f1]
<2> Thank you again for the advice. I have to run. Bye bye
<3> is anyone rich?
<3> I need a rich person
<3> t use a box connected to the crt to do all the connections and leave the winbox as a standalone, is that not feasable?
<3> grr
<3> http://www.9xmedia.com/pages-Build_a_system/X-Top---10over10over10.html
<4> lol
<3> that
<3> someone buy me one of those!!
<12> heh
<13> someone take me far far away to another galaxy.
<3> I'll provide oral *** to the person who buys me one!
<4> smsie: good, no problem. You can have it when I'm done playing with it in, say, 4 - 6 years ;)
<3> anyone need a spare kidney?
<13> gosh. geeks.
<5> smsie: we're just going to make a 8-head windows box at work, because we've 2 G200 MMSen.
<8> how can i tell what Wireless extension version my kernel is built with?
<6> wamty: look at my former response
<3> whyzzyrd: I got that matrox. a G450 it is (according to windows autodetection, which I see no reason to distrust)
<5> you like?
<3> whyzzyrd: for running dual head, yeah, it's fine
<5> smsie: and you did tick the "advanced dualhead" support box when installing the drivers from matrox?
<3> not up to much on 3d, but that's not a m***ive problem
<3> whyzzyrd: I didn't install drivers from matrox. Windows detected it and it just worked
<5> smsie: was never going to be a 3d killer card.
<3> whyzzyrd: should I install the drivers?
<3> whyzzyrd: indeed.
<5> smsie: you want the matrox drivers.
<3> whyzzyrd: okay, I'll get them at some point
<14> IMO the Matrox drivers aren't anything special
<3> what do the matrox drivers buy me the builtin windows ones don't?
<15> Ho, Ha, Ha, Guard, Turn, Parry, Dodge, Spin, Ha, Thrust!
<5> Liandrin: they allow you to have seperate colour palletes and res on the 2 screens.
<14> dual-head worked normally with the XP drivers
<3> whyzzyrd: well, okay. I don't need that
<7> hey Liandrin, smsie
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