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<0> but seriously
<1> Tamahome: indeed so. a n00b would say "Plz Plz Plz need haxxor skript to haxxor this n33t box..."
<0> WHERE THE HELL did my installation go? --- where is the executeable... where can i find out... where can I start
<0> I checked /bin/usr
<2> man slocate?
<0> or is it /usr/bin
<3> at the documentation link for the distribution you chose\
<0> are you guys serious?
<4> serious? never.
<0> you would laugh if you looked at teh documentation
<1> man find ?
<3> Matt_: there is a channel faq link in the topic. it might help your visit here
<0> thank you
<3> Matt_: no, that is where we learn what we need
<5> I need food..
<6> Matt_: eg Google is god, and www.tldp.org is it's appostle
<5> *sigh*
<7> Strider: where are you now?
<8> Matt_: What are you trying to do?
<5> San Antonio
<8> Matt_: What do you expect to happen?
<8> Matt_: What actually happens?
<5> I spent the afternoon up on a roof, without a hat.. dumb me
<0> OK -- i grabbed the install files
<8> Matt_: What install files?
<0> first the .bin for RealPlayer10
<4> http://whomix.trilete.net/?wmid=music <-- DW theme remixes galore!
<0> I ran chmod -xa RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
<8> Matt_: What did you expect that to do?>
<9> ack, RP for linux? ugg
<0> then i ran ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin ... and it installed
<0> as i expected
<9> anyhooter, bbl
<4> l8rz, goober
<0> I expected chmod to make it executable
<0> and ./ to run it to install
<0> After doing the above, all seemed to work fine. Program shortcuts and all were created in my application menu ... but upon clicking them... I get nothing.
<0> No hourgl***, no quick window... so -- I'm not asking for a magic answer. I'm asking where to begin to look.
<8> Matt_: OK, then my guess is that it depends on some library that you don't have, or that it's crashing on startup. Whatever the cause, the liklyhood is that there will be output on stderr
<8> Matt_: The question is, where is that output going...
<8> Matt_: On Debian, output from programs started by the window manager in X and other stuff launched by the X session goes into a file called .xsession-errors in your home directory
<8> Matt_: The other option is to pull up a terminal window and try to run the same command as the launcher button runs
<0> interesting. Thank you very much. I'll see what I can find
<5> ok, time to go to bed
<5> er out
<4> later Hans
<0> OK question two.
<0> I attempted to run it in terminal.
<8> Matt_: The other thing would be to see if anyone's packaged realplayer for your distribution, of course...
<0> I did that too
<0> Grabbed the .rpm
<0> double clicked it
<0> it did it's thing... and didn't work.
<8> Matt_: .rpm from a reputable source?
<0> so that's where i'm at, but i don't watn to keep torturing you
<0> Obviously I need to learn a lot.
<0> http://www.realplayer.com has it on their website specifically for Fedora Core 4
<8> Matt_: Biggest problem the RPM distributions tend to have is people putting together really ****ty RPMs
<10> can somebody explain why this happens? highest quality jpeg showing huge artifacts after levels adjustment. isn't it suppose to be near lossless? http://free-zg.t-com.hr/bhz/photo/shadowexp/
<8> shark2: You keep pasting that link
<8> shark2: Why?
<6> shark2: no jpg is lossless
<0> thank you very much rhowe
<10> not completely no, but it seems to throw away too much information compared to origal image
<0> one last question -- in your opinion, which linux distribution would you reccomend for a n00b for both ease of use and learning potential?
<8> Matt_: Hm, don't know.. haven't ever used such a beast
<6> Matt_: I would not recommend Slackware - huge learning curve
<8> Matt_: Gut feeling would be Ubuntu
<0> I grabbed Fedora 4, knoppix, and GenToo
<8> Matt_: Debian, if you feel up to the learning curve
<0> I got all but gentoo running
<6> Gentoo is not for the weak minded
<0> now is debian even hard to get up and running?
<8> Matt_: Where learning curve = installing a console-based Linux distribution first, getting to grips with the filesystem layout, the package tools, etc, and then adding X on later (that's the way I'd advocate getting into Debian)
<0> I have no doubt in my abilities, I've worked with computers my entire life, I do it for a living -- i've programmed, i've done enough that I know I can do whatever -- but never with linux. Always Microsoft... always.
<6> debian is only hard if you have strange hardware... but then that's true of any distro
<8> Matt_: debian-installer, which is what sarge, the current stable release, uses is quite usable, but it does ask some technical questions. Ubuntu should be gentler
<8> Matt_: Especially at install time you will probably have to deal with things like the naming scheme for disks and partitions
<11> Matt_: Unix like operating systems are totally different. You're in for a huge learning curve.
<6> the newest debian GUI /daily build has the a few features that even the sarge/sid netinstall can't do
<0> forgive me, but are those people?
<6> no, version names of Debian - Sarge is the stable version, Etch is testing, Sid is always the unstable version
<6> eg from toy story
<0> alright, well i feel like you guys are telling me stuff but I dno't know enough to process it
<12> well, more or less. it cycles. it used to be sarge was unstable and woody stable
<0> So, I'll do some more reasearch and whatnot, and come back when I can better formulate my questions.
<11> Matt_: Just try ubuntu if you're new. You might like it.
<12> ubuntu names are just *weird*
<6> the next stabel version will be Etch (once they are finished fiddling with it)
<11> DaveSleeping: What's so weird about a breezy badger??!#@
<0> thank you very much. I like fedora for the fact that everything that was pre-installed works... but as far as installing new stuff, nothing has worked so far. I was going to tackle GenToo tonite.
<12> duplex-: depends on what it was eating before it got breezy
<6> Matt_: you'll find a lot of naming conventions in the *nix world is based on a theme
<11> Matt_: If you're new to linux I wouldn't, honestly. Ubuntu has apt-get, which is the same as debian, for package management. You should find it quite easy to install things with the synaptic tool.
<0> interesting.
<7> man, i fail at irc.
<7> i just utterly ****ed up a ban because i havent set one in nearly a year
<11> Plus it shouldn't too hard to install. It's practically debian for beginners.
<0> GenToo did look quite complicated, but I figured the steepest learning curve would provide the most benefit. Reading the install notes, it didn't seem all thatttt complicated.
<13> ./topic <7> man, i fail at irc.
<11> Matt_: If you want a learning curve (not to mention a reason to commit suicide) try slackware.
<12> Matt_: thats like saying you should try everest first while learning to climb....
<0> hahahah. When you put it like that, I understand.
<0> but when all is said and done, gentoo has a gui, no?
<11> It does now, unfortunately. I can't imagine what the hell they were thinking when they did that.
<0> really?
<0> you guys prefer command line?
<6> Matt_: depends on what you mean by GUI
<6> yup
<7> DaveSleeping: sleep is clearly clouding your judgement
<12> real unix boxes dont have screens - they have serial or telnet :)
<6> if the GUI ****s up, I'm not lost
<4> night Dave
<0> weird.
<0> I mean, obviously knowing the backend of anything is key
<11> Well it's mostly because the gui installer only allows people who can't read the damn instructions for the gentoo install (or those who don't know what they mean) to install gentoo and thus tie up all the bandwidth to the portage updates.
<0> as was DOS to windows 3.1
<0> but as far as daily usability, command line is just not gonna cut it for an every day multitasking PC
<6> and to make m***ive howtoo encyclopedias making screenshots of stupid ****
<12> Matt_: that is because dos wasn't multitasking. unix is
<0> interesting
<11> Matt_: Any linux can have a gui. In fact the linux gui is just as useful for every day activities (in the right hands) as a GUI. Some even argue moreso. It's just a gui can sometimes make things a little easier.
<0> much to learn, i will not lie.
<11> oops, I meant, to say "in fact the linux command line"....
<0> when you say linux gui, of what do you speak. a command line is not a gui, or do i misunderstand you?
<11> I corrected myself.
<0> indeed you did.
<0> so answer me this:
<0> I want to type a document, listen to mp3's, and chat on AIM.
<0> This can be done all utilizing the linux command line?
<11> Yes.
<0> all at the same time?
<6> yup
<11> Um yep.
<12> Matt_: yes, trivially
<11> Extremely easy.
<12> using screen or multiple consoles to manage the concurrency
<11> Yes. I know. It's hard to grasp that not all OS's ****. Try it out.
<14> this sounds like homework or some ****.
<6> Matt_: can even watch movies though a telnet session
<0> wow. So obviously I know nothing -- but I'm sure you guys have all used windows.....
<7> siglite: clearly he should be banned.
<7> i have stopped UTTERLY hating windows lately though.
<15> movies through telnet = using slirp?
<6> papo: mplayer with AALIB
<4> Media Center Edition 0wnz me
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