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<0> smsie: It's also useful that we keep components at work. I'll identify what I need, and it'll generally be kicking about our store. I pay over the counter for the bits I take, and order more.
<1> whyzzyrd: I just wouldn't be arsed. I can buy a new TV for under 200
<0> smsie: I've got a 28" WS hitachi here that needs fixed. I was given it. Hence my TV will cost me all of a tenner, if that.
<1> not that I won a TV
<1> own
<1> whyzzyrd: if it's a hobby and you like it, great...I jst can't be arsed
<0> smsie: So, what's your hobby then? Beekeeping?
<1> I'm good enough that I could fix it, but it would probably take me like 3 days to work out which component was dead, and then another day to replace it safely
<1> whyzzyrd: *********ing :)
<2> no wonder the channel is sticky all the time...
<1> not from me it isn't
<1> I have minions who lick it up after me
<2> bwhahahaha
<2> ph33r the wireless xmit power of 251mw :)
<3> ph33r the completly unclean signal
<2> well, true...it's more happy at 70mw (default for a wrt54g is 28mw, btw) :)
<0> ph33r the overheating output stages
<3> i know.
<3> wrt54gs here
<2> which version (I hope not v5)
<3> 1.1
<2> you use dd-wrt?
<3> OpenWRT
<2> ahhhh...like it?
<0> dumb&dumberWRT?
<3> its purrfect :>
<2> heh, it would have been nice if linksys put all that **** into the wrt54g firmware itself :)
<0> dogbert2: I seem to remember telling you that this is a consumer-grade piece of crap. It'd have cost them money to do it.
<2> whyzzyrd...heh, and the open-source guys just get in there and fix it up perfectly :)
<0> dogbert2: yeah, but see, they wanted something, and spent the time on it.
<0> dogbert2: Linksys presumably only had *so much* money they were willing to invest in firmware development.
<2> whyzzyrd...they ought to install dd-wrt into all their wrt54g **** :)
<4> Then the WRTs started selling so they could afford a vxworks license
<2> heh...and with VXworks, the units have 1/2 as much ram/flash as before...I know, costs
<0> PolarWolf: Erm, Crisco probably had a vxworks license already..
<2> whyzzyrd...prolly correct ***umption
<4> dogbert2: That's the ****y part. The firmware is just a minor obstacle now.
<4> whyzzyrd: Maybe
<2> PW...agree, but eghey has enuf old style wrt54g's out there...
<4> dogbert2: Or devices not made by linksys at all
<2> true...fortunately, the wre54g i installed here is working well...now the house has good coverage upstairs and downstairs
<5> hi
<6> hi
<1> shush, he's here now
<7> smsie: that's ok, you can carry on talking about me if you want :)
<7> smsie: its not true about the three supermodels and the goat though
<1> DaveHowe: that's okay, we had finished :)
<1> DaveHowe: I hadn't mentioned that (mainly because I thought it WAS true)
<7> I mean - I just wouldn't. not with a goat.
<7> anyhow, doesn't someone else in here have dibs on the goats ?
<1> no, g0ats are communal property here
<1> today's UF just isn't up to the standard really
<7> welcome to 'em. sheep are so muc... I mean, I just have no interest
<7> yeah. still better than the corny old jokes wed/thur though
<1> Howard Taylor seems to be gaining celebrity though
<1> lotsa artork on ebay these days (some of it not even sold by him)
<2> heh...the original ultraman is coming to DVD
<8> D-side, you around?
<7> smsie: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060630152635501 has a UF cartoon on it...
<0> PolarWolf: They did. They used to run VXworks on 1200-series AP's 350-series, and presumably some of their bridge kit.
<4> whyzzyrd: I'm no cisco buff. I do servers, not routers :)
<0> PolarWolf: if they already had a license, it's more likely they leveraged it to reduce the parts cost of the WRT. Either that, or the guys from crisco looked over the designs and proposed the change as a cost-save. I dunno what the wee chips cost now. 8M of flash can't cost **** all.
<4> whyzzyrd: Aye. I'd wager a WRT54G costs in the are of $10-$15 to produce
<0> PolarWolf: interestingly, it's obviously enough that they considered it worthwhile to move from a free OS, to a paid-for one, and to do all the development ***ociated with that.
<4> whyzzyrd: Yeah
<9> PolarWolf: I think it's a lot lower than that..
<9> s/a lot/
<1> poor sco
<1> someone shoulda told them
<7> I thought PJ had been telling them (and the rest of the planet, obviously) for about three years now?
<1> yeah, they didn't listen to her
<1> I mean, why would they?
<1> she's got a citoris
<1> and she's one of those open source communist bastards
<1> not worthy of attention at all...may as well believce what you read is slashcrap
<7> TBH they have done well so far - SCO's directors already cleared much, much more than they would have gotten by cashing out three years ago, the lawyers have their pound of flesh ringfenced, and ibm got some decent positive publicity
<1> much better than they should have anyway, yeah
<7> and MS are no doubt pleased at the ROI they got in terms of anti-linux fud
<7> although they won't be so pleased if 90% of it ends up going to Novell :)
<1> ROI?
<7> Return on investment
<1> ah
<7> "bang per buck" :)
<1> we'll see how well it does if the court throws the case out
<7> big companies have been scared away from linux by MS salesdroids pointing at the "potential liability" of allowing linux on their network
<7> even if they aren't locked into five year contracts, they still have been kept way from linux for three years - which is worth what little MS had to punt to sco
<1> we'll see
<1> I think it will backfire
<4> WHo cares. Open Source should stand on its own, not with the help or lack thereof of big corporations and whatnot
<4> If the product is useful, it'll be used
<4> If not, it won't
<1> PolarWolf: that's fine as long as other big corporates don't try to kill it
<7> PolarWolf: wide adoption is a good thing - because atm hardware manus are reluctant to "waste time" writing linux drivers for their kit
<4> smsie: *shrug* If they succeed it wasn't useful enough for widespread market adoption
<7> PolarWolf: which means we have to write those drivers, painfully reverse-engineered from the windows ones
<4> If it is, nothing anyone can do will "kill it"
<1> PolarWolf: that's a dream, not reality
<7> PolarWolf: beyond a certain tipping point, it becomes worthwhile to support linux, and that benefits linux as a whole
<1> PolarWolf: as it stands, if SCO had won its case, tehre's a good chance they could have tried to demand licensing from every linux user
<4> smsie: So?
<1> so I don't wanna pay them
<4> DaveHowe: Sure, but it takes time. Time we have.
<4> smsie: So don't use BSD.
<4> err, add a comma in there :)
<1> PolarWolf: it's precent
<4> Anyway, it's all hypothetical anyway.
<1> precedent even
<4> Linux and its use trudges along at its own pace. Maybe it'll be gone in a few years, maybe it'll be stronger than ever.
<4> In the mean time, everyone with a brain uses whatever works, and is the best tool for the job
<1> indeed
<4> Everything else is just politically correct drivel
<4> And now it's time to float back to earth :)
<7> Indeed so. hence I still use windows more than any other os - because the packages I wnat/need run on windows only, and they don't support linux "because there is no demand"
<4> Aye
<4> And even if I could easily replace one OS with another because the applications support it, I can't just as easily replace the entire support staff
<1> I use windows as a desktop and for games :)
<4> And retraining windows support staff to support linux...keep dreaming
<4> Not to mention the entire developer workforce
<7> PolarWolf: if $EMPLOYER could find versions of its major apps that run on linux, they would happily change - they dont want their staff running anything but the official apps anyhow, and those would remain the same
<4> That's more than 10% of the company size to be replaced
<7> most of our developers work with tomcat/jboss anyhow
<4> DaveHowe: That goes for the regular type monkeys
<10> DaveHowe: as temporarily Linux zealot I'd have to say that you should give them netbeans so they can use Linux ;)
<4> DaveHowe: We're not in the luxury position to have all IT staff being like...well, me :)
<7> PolarWolf: the two most common things I use are my web browser and putty. email client is thunderbird and comes a close third anyhow
<10> ey guys
<7> Lion-O: they develop on lnux, but have windows desktops for other reasons
<1> it's mainly Office that's missing
<7> Lion-O: almost all our development is on SLES
<1> when MS release Offoce for linux, I expect to see a lot moving to it
<4> DaveHowe: Doesn't change the fact that the IT staff needs to be able to support it too.
<10> DaveHowe: Ah, ok. I ***umed jbos was Windows only. Still, doesn't change the fact that you're right there ofcourse.
<0> funnily enough, I didn't see the SCO action as stopping us deploying linux stuff.
<4> DaveHowe: At least for us, who keeps an entire IT workforce on staff
<1> whyzzyrd: yeah, quite a few did though
<4> DaveHowe: Outsourced IT has it easier, just make it someone else's problem :)
<7> PolarWolf: thin client model, or livecd?
<0> PolarWolf: Problem is, there's a lot of crap admins out there, who can get away with "following their nose" on a windows box. They're clueless, even when you tell em things 100 times over on a unix box.
<4> DaveHowe: Oh, if only.
<4> DaveHowe: I'd welcome that, honestly
<7> PolarWolf: that said - one of our biggest support headaches is a customer site that is entirely thin-client - citrix PS4
<4> whyzzyrd: Yeah. Too bad it's the majority of available workforce
<10> whyzzyrd: it is IMO the main concern with GUI admin interfaces.. People who focus on where to click to get stuff done instead of understanding what they do ;/
<4> whyzzyrd: There are ashamingly few people who can manage a heterogenous environment properly
<4> whyzzyrd: Even fewer who also understand networking and storage
<4> whyzzyrd: I wonder why I'm still in this job with low pay :)
<7> PolarWolf: I can imagine, yeah. my mixed windows/novell/linux is bad enough; I can/t imagine what it would be like throwing a few real unixen in there too
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