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<0> PolarWolf: I can imagine, yeah. my mixed windows/novell/linux is bad enough; I can/t imagine what it would be like throwing a few real unixen in there too
<1> I think we have two people on staff who have a grasp on the entire environment
<1> I am one.
<1> NOt in detail, but I know how it fits together. Which component sits where and how it interacts with others.
<1> I'm a valuable ***et to my employer :)
<0> add in the fiber based SAN, the iscsi hosts (falconstor, so propriatory crap in the mix) and all the routing **** we get for being part of N3...
<2> I'm still stunned they LET you be inside N3
<1> What's an N3?
<0> smsie: we aren't. we are legally obliged to have one (1) workstation connected to one (1) managed router and no network connectivity
<0> smsie: and of course we are actually doing that aren't we... *cough*
<1> We have a 4 head storage team now
<2> PolarWolf: VERY expensive white elephant that all UK hospitals are (well, will be) connected to
<2> sorry, VPN, not "white elephant"
<1> They're taking the crash course in storage from HP to get up to speed. Some of them have no clue what RAID is.
<2> easy to confuse the two
<0> smsie: its not a VPN, its a real PN/WAN :)
<1> smsie: Aaah, a centrally driven, ****ing, overly expensive network thingie
<2> yeah yeah, whatever
<2> PolarWolf: yeah
<1> One which can be replaced at a fraction of the cost with off-the-shelf software and hardware using high bandwidth public internet backbone connections
<1> We have it too :)
<1> Can you tell?
<2> DaveHowe: we're currently working hard at getting C&B up and running...the politics involved would drive you insane
<0> PolarWolf: managed private network driven by BT, political bull****, and beurocrats who have been given authority to block any site that looks at them in a funny way...
<2> PolarWolf: yeh, but that wouldn't be supported by big companies, so it might die! We have to have one that never ever dies...well, not more than about twice a week!
<1> We're stuck at using a 1mbps SDSL line to a central POP, 150km away, while we have 10GB fiber linkup 50m from our main building which plugs straight into the national backbone
<2> insane
<1> DaveHowe: *nod*
<2> we have a 10M line to N3 I think...as opposed to the 100M internet pip[e, so I know the feeling :)
<1> And it's basically both Versatel, so they're laughing their *** off, all the way to the bank.
<2> and you don't route internet traffic via N3...that cost sa FORTUNE
<1> smsie: We're not allowed to do anything else :/
<1> Well, we are, but with all kinds of elweirdo restrictions
<0> and of course as part of your N3 contract (if you are a hospital or other provider you *must* agree to block any or all other ways into your lan from outside unless "approved" by the N3 administration
<2> we asked for some IPs, we were *grudgingly* given a /26 in 10.0.0.0/8
<0> which ATM means token based authentication and VPN
<2> with serious questions as to why we needed so many IPs
<1> If I were a network droid, I'd seriously look into the whole thing. See what's legally possible to have our POP changed to a public internet linkup to access the protected VPN
<2> DaveHowe: yeah yeah...they approve of the checkpoint VPN thing though, so that's okay
<1> LIke I said, it's both Versatel, I think it's an well protected illusion to think they're seperate networks
<0> smsie: yeah. that was political too - apparently they initially were going to approve it *only* in conjunction with digital tokens, but checkpoint leaned on someone, who played the jew card, and....
<1> Politics.
<1> Bleh.
<1> Techies should take over.
<2> DaveHowe: we have RSA tokens to go with it
<1> smsie: s/RSA/EMC/ :)
<3> PolarWolf: back to the days of ASR, that's what we need.
<3> PolarWolf: A proper admin's cabal again.
<2> it will do eventually
<1> Yeah!
<0> PolarWolf: yeah. next generation of tokens will have redundant displays, but will need you to tow a truck to carry them...
<2> after the NHS have stopped wasting money, it will have to
<1> DaveHowe: Haha
<2> 28 *billion* so far on an infrastructure that still doesn't look like it will work
<3> smsie: The problem is, this infrastructure's costing a *fortune*.
<2> let manglement design stuff, and you get ****ty design
<1> DaveHowe: They'll probably do the same as with VMware. Only be owner in name, and just keep the original company alive
<2> whyzzyrd: yep
<1> DaveHowe: Not like CA which buys something and rapes it into something obnoxious
<1> In asfar as it wasn't already, that is.
<0> PolarWolf: here's a shock - there is evidence that CA have bought something and are *improving it*
<1> smsie: Yeah, but at some point the spending has spun sofar out of control, noone will back out again
<0> (admittedly, they couldn't have made it much worse if they tried)
<1> DaveHowe: Which mythical product is this?
<2> PolarWolf: they will after the next election
<0> PolarWolf: worse - after the spending gets to a certain level, the politicians *can't* back out as it will make them lose face; you have to wait for the government to change so they can blame it on the outgoing administration
<0> PolarWolf: iLumin
<2> PolarWolf: which is why I try not to worry too much...the government wil change and it will all be replaced again (with something else that doesn't work)
<1> smsie: Doubt it. Too much money spent. Too many names involved. Too much of the national economy depending on the existance of that spending figure.
<1> DaveHowe: Never heard of it
<2> PolarWolf: nah...it simply can't keep haemoragging money like this...it has to get changed
<0> PolarWolf: they claim to be the second most popular on the planet in their particular niche - could be wrong of course
<1> DaveHowe: Yeah. But what does it *do*
<0> PolarWolf: I am contractually obliged not to tell you not to touch it witha bargepole, so I won't
<2> PolarWolf: they do storage management stuff
<0> PolarWolf: email archiving and discovery searches
<1> DaveHowe: You don't need to. The "CA" badge alone is enough warning
<1> Ooh
<0> PolarWolf: hasn't been rebadged yet - they literally only bought it a month ago
<1> Kinda like RISS and KVS, but then the ****ing version of it
<1> DaveHowe: "CA, a worldwide leader in enterprise IT management software, acquired iLumin, a leading provider of enterprise message management, on October 14, 2005."
<1> Dude...that was last year :P
<4> hello i need help with ubuntu
<1> I would have worded it differently though. "CA, the real world equivalent of the Umbrella Corporation, has saved another product from impending doom. iLumin; an enterprise management system has been bought up by CA for $10 and an apple. It will no continue its life as a product sold to clueless governments and misinformed companies."
<4> hello its my first time using ubuntu, after i login i get the prompt user@network:~$
<1> mikhael: ****s, don't it?
<4> what do i do to make it run?
<1> mikhael: It runs
<4> coz i got a previous error regarding the gui
<1> mikhael: Solve the error
<4> can anyone help me?
<1> I just did
<5> #linuxhelp can help ya
<4> thanks qrs
<1> It might actually be useful to you if you managed to ask something pertaining your problem, in addition to telling you what you have now.
<1> err
<1> The information that you logged on into a shell and that there was some error regarding the GUI is at best contextual. It won't get you any further to the solution.
<1> mikhael: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
<0> PolarWolf: Yeah, the corporate stuff happened a while back. however, the staff were moved to CA and the buildings went dark about a month back
<1> DaveHowe: Aaah, so the ***imilation is complete now :)
<1> We are the CA, resistance is futile. You will be ***imilated.
<0> PolarWolf: better yet - the *exclusive* redistribution and support rights in the UK for iLumin have been farmed out to a company who have exactly five employees - three sales staff, one technical guy, one install monkey
<1> You know, there are people on this earth who actually desire to be ***imilated to the Borg
<1> I mean...****ed up. The Borg are fictional!
<1> OTOH, they could try getting a job with CA
<0> PolarWolf: CA are frantically trying to fix that
<1> DaveHowe: Haha
<0> tech guy is run ragged - if he ever left, that company would fold
<1> DaveHowe: I'm sure CA wouldn't mind that to happen.
<0> install monkey can *just about* follow the install script, given help with any long words
<1> So the easiest solution is someone at CA's HR department to call a buddy at another HR department at some ***y company in the UK to have that tech bought out
<0> sales staff are very easy to get hold of up to the point you sign the contract...
<0> PolarWolf: quite possibly - however, he has a fairly draconian non-compete in his contract - and the company *might* limp along for some time after he goes. CA really doesn't have a reputation to trash, but if it did, that could well do it
<1> DaveHowe: Hey, he doesn't have to be hired to do a similar job. Just be hired :)
<0> PolarWolf: did I mention that $EMPLOYER managed to get itself involved in this can of worms?
<1> DaveHowe: No, but given the details you provide it had to something like that
<1> Either that or $TECHIE is a friend of yours
<0> PolarWolf: we now front helldesk calls for $SMALLCOMPANY - of whch there are many - and apparently the support contracts are from us, with 95% of their value being p***ed though to $SMALLCOMPANY
<1> DaveHowe: What do you do anyway?
<0> PolarWolf: in theory we have SLAs from $SMALLCOMPANY, but....
<0> PolarWolf: whatever they tell me to do - hey, they pay, I play :)
<1> Something makes me think you're in the healthcare business, but now I doubt
<0> PolarWolf: I work for this outfit - http://www.ansplc.com/
<0> They do IT solutions and support. I do mostly linux or cisco, with some windows and novell thrown in, and lately a bit of SAN and oracle too
<6> get the xmit power up to 500mw :)
<1> DaveHowe: Hmm, interesting
<1> DaveHowe: What's your opinion of Oracle IM?
<1> Given that you're in the same business, somewhat
<1> IM, SSO, etc.
<0> PolarWolf: never touched it. ANS do their own SSO and IM solutions
<1> DaveHowe: Yeah. But hey, knowing the juicy details about the competitor is always handy :)
<0> PolarWolf: I imagine they do, yes - but I don't touch HALO, so don't need to frig with its competitors :)
<1> DaveHowe: I'm stuck with probably having to glue things together between Oracle and the rest, with Oracle IM
<1> DaveHowe: I wanted to keep it simple, too bad $business disagrees, so bought the entire Oracle IM suite
<1> DaveHowe: Hmm
<1> You're useless then :)
<0> PolarWolf: deliberately so, yes.
<1> Smart move.
<0> you don't want to know the internal politics around HALO, trust me
<0> and as a new starter, I don't want to get involved
<1> *nod*
<1> So you're one of the "Technical specialists in Open Source and Linux environments." they wanted to hire in 2005, eh?
<1> Nice and up to date, this page.
<0> PolarWolf: probably. they took me on because I am a CNE, but I rarely touch netware
<7> I hate mornings
<1> You need to find Netware first.
<1> And then someone who actually still uses it
<1> And then someone who doesn't have internal expertise, and/or problems
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