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<0> Tamahome: are you familar with TSO!?
<1> Eric: Pinecrest & Greenbank
<0> i used to use TSO and APL, it's how i got into coding
<1> Pujol: yes.
<2> Tamahome: hrm
<1> I did a lot of TSO
<1> not fond of JCL though
<0> have been any major operating systems written in SCHEME
<3> OSDL right now is advertising one job...it does not require a degree
<0> smsie: where do you find it
<3> the specification says it's an advantage, but not a requirement
<0> please paste the deatils here
<3> http://www.osdl.org/about_osdl/jobs/dcl_pm.html/document_view
<3> ***hat
<0> hrmm i notice they use windows there
<3> you go to OSDL.org, you click on "jobs", you read
<3> so?
<1> so?
<3> many open source projects are for windows
<0> what is the absolute best language to learn if you want to be a coder and eventually manage coders
<3> many more can run on windows
<1> ASP.NET is the bomb.
<3> so what?
<4> Tamahome: yup
<5> is that ata?
<1> TBT: doesn't look like it
<2> Tamahome: oh well keep me in mind anyhow
<3> hmm, did anyone see colours?
<0> i think you are misreading that listing smsie
<1> no, but epic+Light could be stripping them out
<3> Pujol: no I'm not
<0> it says degree in compsci requires, but bus + marketing is useful
<0> it should have parenthesis :-D :-D
<3> BA/BS or Masters in Computer Science, Business or Marketing is helpful but not required
<0> yea
<3> it doesn't say any of them are required
<0> they mean you have the first
<0> it's under requirements
<3> no they don't
<0> hrm
<0> they're listed under 'requiremonts'
<6> requiremonts?
<2> companies that demand degrees are simply trying to weed out weasels
<0> what are 'aural communication skills'...like ear farts?!
<1> aye
<1> either that, or their HR department is a bunch of clueless ****wads
<2> if you're clever enough, you'll figure out a way around it
<3> nowhere in the specification that I can see requires a degree
<0> hehe. well i learned a bit about digital storage, etc in my library program
<0> smsie: BA/BS or Masters in Computer Science
<7> Aural communication skills... hmm... the ability to listen and obey your masters
<3> you wanted to know what language to learn to be a good coder? "English"
<8> Hah
<6> hehe
<1> BWAHAHAHAH no
<0> that's under the heading: This position requires:
<7> lol smsie
<3> Pujol: no degree is required. A degree is an advantage, none is required
<0> IOW: This position requires: BS in compsci
<1> smsie: you should know better :P
<0> smsie: it's liksted under requirements
<3> I see no such hgeading
<6> yo, dho
<3> Tamahome: I'm having fun
<7> Every job I've ever applied for (and gotten) *required* a BS. I barely made it out of HS with a diploma.
<1> smsie: good, want a cookie? :P
<0> it is right after the part about travel
<8> moo Ka-bar
<0> brb
<0> back!
<6> Pujol: don't let the door hit you in the *** on the way out
<7> Never, ever turn away from a job that "requires" a degree just because you don't have one.
<3> Pujol: learn to read English. There is no requirement for a degree. It says it's an advatage, but not required. It's unabiguous to anyone with a brain. Grow one
<0> my gentoo distro doesn't have pine in the available repositories
<0> hrmm
<0> smsie: i will call them and see
<0> but i think i will need a degree in compsci
<3> Pujol: you realise of course that my last two jobs *have* been advertised as "requires degree"?
<3> Pujol: and I don't have a degree
<0> i did take data structures and algorithms (sp?)
<0> and i read the knuth book
<1> smsie: ....
<0> smsie: how did you get the jobs
<3> HR pukes *alwayss* say a degree is required
<3> Pujol: because I'm ****ing *good*
<6> Pujol: and I've been in the business so long that nobody cares whether or not I have a degree because nobody does the stuff I did in school anymore...
<3> a degree isn't really meaningful
<0> but smsie
<8> If you've got relevant experience, it's not really that big of a deal.
<0> how can that be true (regarding HR) yet this ad allegedly none requires a degree
<8> Unless it's a large corporation.
<7> Right, if you've got a few years experience, a degree is rarely required.
<8> Pujol: Well, obviously people here have experience in this where you don't. Perhaps you should accept it at face value instead of arguing?
<0> without a degree you are not trained to learn how to learn
<8> Hah
<0> dho: i'm just looking for a consistent reponce
<7> The only job I got turned down for just because I didn't have a degree was ***istant manager at Electronics Boutique.
<1> Pujol: it's a vain attempt to shorten the number of people who apply... I mean **** nowadays all you have to do to apply for a job is click Send in your mail client
<0> smsie is all over the mat
<3> Pujol: I broke into programming by working for free for 6 months devloping a reasonable sized project. After that, you just look good on paper and they often ignore the lack of degree...anyone with a brain does anyway
<0> MAP..
<1> Ceru: WTF?!?
<3> Pujol: that's bull****
<6> some HR people are clueless automatons. And you probably don't want to work at that company anyway...
<3> pulI've been teaching myself all my life
<0> smsie: you are all ove rthe map :_
<0> smsie: i read the knutth book
<0> it had COBOL examples <--- is this worth learning?
<3> Pujol: well done. Did you *understand* it?
<7> Yep... apparently it's a solid corporate requirement, EB managers must have a degree. It doesn't even matter what it's in, the store manager at the time had a bachelors in music theory
<1> COBOL is not worth learning.
<3> Pujol: not really.
<0> hrmm
<7> COBOL stopped being worth learning right after Y2K
<0> but i was told that knuth was indispensable
<3> it is
<7> Up to that point it was worth 6-figures to the big banks.
<0> hrmm, now i have also heard tell of a SNOBOL
<3> don't bother
<8> Pujol: Go learn malbolge
<3> learn java
<3> learn C++
<8> It's much more useful.
<0> my library friend says this:
<7> Hey hey hey, this isn't #linuxporn, keep it clean. :-P
<0> "Knuth is good for two things: LaTex and fire kindling"
<1> Ceru: feh, spoilsport
<7> hehehe
<0> hey guys
<3> that's quite god
<7> "Snobol" :P Yes it's hot, but still...
<3> **** *bol. they're yesterday
<0> bye frek :-D
<3> (and damn fugly)
<0> smsie: isn't it true that all languages are eventually stupid and silly
<1> yes.
<0> kewl
<1> now shut up and drink your beer
<0> question: will C++ still work in the coming 64 bit age?
<1> YES
<6> Pujol: There is a programming language called Brain ****. You should learn that one.
<3> unless you want to work with codasyl type databases, which is unlikely in the extreme...there aren't many left, and even if you have the misfortune to need to, you'll be scarred for life from it
<7> Eventually we'll all just communicate with our minds, using mental images...
<4> Pujol: werent you told to SHUT UP?
<0> i am running windows 64 bit in the bedroom and linux x 86 in the den
<1> C++ has been 64-bit savvy since the days of the Alpha
<7> Which will be f'ing scary. Eventually no one will want to talk to me. O:-)
<0> Tamahome: that's not my informations
<3> languages are bit agnostic
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