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<0> MarchHare: that has nothing to do with Linux. next!
<1> It's rather a both question, I hope. I'm looking for a posix compatible solution...
<2> MarchHare: well, you could always do the multiuser thing
<3> what does [-bBcCdfprsStv] [host] mean in linux?
<4> get the posix shell for winduhs then
<2> MarchHare: you could use perl!
<2> ;)
<1> I was hoping for basically chmod and chown.
<2> MarchHare: well, there's..
<1> Something that doesn't require cygwin.dll :)?
<2> MarchHare: UnxUtls.zip I think is the name
<1> Let me see if I can find it. Thanks.
<4> next he'll say he wants it to work in 4MB of ram.
<2> MarchHare: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/
<2> oh
<2> chown is a dummy app fsr
<1> I wonder if I could get it working on 4mb ram...sounds like a tinkery project.
<1> a dummy app that doesn't do anything, or a dummy app that just uses the windows stuff?
<2> MarchHare: nfi
<1> Thanks, this might work for me :)
<0> heh, a no brayner
<5> ****ing hell, i leave my irc client for just 6 days and 22 hours, 19 pm windows -- i feel violated
<5> one of which was offering to show my some pretty arse
<5> shame, i missed that one by a day
<6> what version of subversion should I use for Centos? I don't see a binary package for it - I see redhat/fedora, debian, freebsd, openbsd, solaris, mac, win, ibm
<7> isn't centos based on ***hat?
<8> re all
<7> yo, Cynic
<8> hey Ka-bar
<5> ChrisC35: it's in yum afaik
<2> Qim!
<7> hmmm... what time is it there, Cynic ?
<5> Ka-bar: it is, yup
<5> Ka-bar: and how goes?
<8> Eriq!
<7> well, I'm drinking coffee at 12:30am so I can continue testing/debugging this code that was supposed to be released today, er, yesterday.
<6> yum?
<7> gonna be a long freaking night.
<5> ChrisC35: the package manager
<5> Ka-bar: i feel your pain
<5> Ka-bar: sort of
<8> Ka-bar: it's 4.25pm
<5> ChrisC35: to be honest, i've pulled up a howto on google about your issue without any real effort -- follow my example
<8> Ka-bar: just finishing off my working day at home
<7> had the interns reconfigure part of the lab this afternoon so I could do stress testing on the system. finding bugs, fixing them, rerunning tests, etc. Figure I'll be heading off to sleep about the time my cow-orkers arrive in the morning.
<7> I'm getting too old to be pulling all-nighters anymore.
<8> heh
<5> how old is that?
<8> i think the amount of coffee one needs to drink might be inversely proportional to how old one is ;)
<6> whats the difference between 'binary package' and 'source code release' ? I'm attempting to install subversion on my webserver with Fedora
<9> ChrisC35: one is a binary and one is source?
<5> ChrisC35: binary is compiled already
<5> ChrisC35: source isn't
<9> ChrisC35: what twonkbat said.
<10> 21:38:12 up 99 days, 23 min, 4 users, load average: 21.73, 19.36, 18.12
<10> damnit
<6> how do I know which one I need?
<6> or want
<5> ChrisC35: in general, go for the binaries
<6> ok thanks
<5> ChrisC35: unless you have a need to compile it yourself
<6> not particularly ;)
<5> ChrisC35: you may come across situations where you need to compile bits yourself
<5> i had to compile ktorrent the other day
<6> yum install subversion is all I need to install it from a shell?
<6> how can I find out if it is already installed on my system?
<7> should be
<5> ChrisC35: well, you wouldn't be here if it was
<5> ChrisC35: go figure
<6> not necessarily
<6> aparently my other server already has it (centos)
<11> ChrisC35: Jesus. You need to read the freakin' documents of your distro
<6> the server I want to install it on is Fedora
<5> well, that isn't the same machine
<5> so apps can vary
<6> do apps all get installed in a particular folder?
<5> usually it's somewhere in the /usr filesystem
<7> folder?
<5> you get things in /opt every now and then
<6> Ka-bar do you have no patience for people coming from windows environments?
<6> people who are new to linux? people who have yet to learn some of your vast knowledge
<12> ChrisC35: actually he is being very nice
<6> me too
<13> whitecap: no doubt.
<6> i'm trying to learn
<11> ChrisC35: That's what the damn distro documentation is for. That's why they wrote it.
<5> ChrisC35: first of all, this isn't a help channel
<12> ChrisC35: there is a channel faq in the url. read it if you expect a pleasant stay
<6> ok but I have no idea that there is such docs, nor do I know where it is
<13> HOLY SHEEP **** IN THE MORNING.
<5> lol
<7> ChrisC35: I'm not being nasty or condescending. Simply pointing out that we use different terminology for things than windows.
<6> that is fine, but you didnt point out what it is- so what is a folder called?
<7> ChrisC35: tldp.org
<7> directory
<6> oh like it used to be in dos
<7> right
<1> DOS was a watered down clone of Unix, as far as interface goes...
<6> of course
<7> in fact, windows still uses a hierarchical directory-based filesystem. They just call things cutesy names, like "folders"
<6> well we can blame the mac for that
<6> or Steve Jobs
<5> i'm thinking of getting a mac
<5> so shut it :P
<10> ok..
<7> Actually, we can blame Xerox PARC for that because they both stole a lot of their desktop ideas from there.
<6> yep
<6> they were inspired
<7> of course, if Xerox PARC had succeeded commercially with their stuff, we'd all be programming in smalltalk now...
<13> ChrisC35: Blame? Nothing wrong with Mac OS.
<6> stole is a strong word
<6> sure - and there is also nothing wrong with folders
<5> call them what you like
<7> ChrisC35: indeed, stole is a strong word and that's precisely why I used it. Microsoft, in particular, has had very little inspiration and a whole lotta wholesale theft of ideas.
<7> ChrisC35: well, actually, yes, there is something wrong with calling them folders because they are not folders. they are directories. and all the documentation refers to them as directories.
<6> well i was referring to steve jobs 'stealing' the xerox ide
<2> I prefer "liberate"
<5> ChrisC35: you're in luck because the kde folks like to call them folders too
<7> true, but the kde folks are a bunch of crack monkeys
<5> nowt wrong with kde :P
<2> haha, funniest thing I've heard all week
<6> do you have a problem with an interface using abstract concepts to simplify technical mechanics?
<2> well okay, Ian Patterson was pretty funny
<6> folders filled with files - its not so bad
<5> ChrisC35: what's so complex about the term directory compared to folder
<6> kind of the whole point of an iterface
<5> ChrisC35: please, indulge me
<14> christ, jobs vs gates vs parc again?
<14> tsk tsk
<12> uhh, from the debian tar manpage ... tar -cvvf foo.tar foo/ .. tar contents of folder foo in foo.tar
<7> ChrisC35: my work tends to be about as far from the desktop as you can get. Since I'm dealing in, or very close to, the kernel on a daily basis, I prefer to think in terms of how the base OS deals with things, rather than with how the bolted-on desktop deals with them.
<6> of course you would so would I
<7> you can have your desktop abstract things any way you like. Down at the filesystem level, however, it's still a directory.
<6> the average person out there just wants to use the computer, not learn how to program it
<6> i agree
<7> the average person out there just wants to surf for pr0n
<6> ok the average person at work then
<2> and not pay for it!
<2> Ka-bar: I propose we form the Free Pr0n Foundation
<6> pr0n fuels the internet
<2> Ka-bar: to promote free pr0n for all
<5> omg, that sounds like soemething i want to involvewd with
<5> damn typos
<7> Nanuq: free as in beer or free as in... hmmm...
<2> Ka-bar: free love, man!
<2> or is that free manlove?
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