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<0> java??
<0> java bien merci :p
<1> 'lo LLyric
<2> Hey
<1> woohoo :)
<2> For the first time in forever
<3> almost?
<3> LLyric: You've gone and become a project manager/beurocrat? ;)
<2> Nah, I'm infrastructure - middleware mostly
<2> Management, phtoooey
<2> We sit between platforms and developers
<3> my direct manager is a coder we hired five years ago and that just recently have been touching a little code to maintain components we dont' have the manpower to maintain otherwise ;)
<2> Well, I was trying to figure out how to make Tomcat check client certificates against a whitelist. It doesn't look like it supports it "natively", but could probably do so with a custom Connector (and/or using a custom TrustManager)
<3> hmm.. someone has run off with my xsl/t book
<2> wlfshmn: so... (ahem) leech it
<2> You have a real copy, right? :)
<4> wud ?
<3> somewhere, sure. I made do with online resources though
<3> I'll just need to track the book down and give the guy who took it without asking a solid thumping, and all will be well
<3> yeah, that probably wouldn't be a bad idea..
<5> morning again
<6> yup, they do tend to reoccur. about once every 24 hours
<5> well, in my case, twice every 24 hours
<5> I woke up at 4
<6> heh. I couldn't even get to sleep until 05:00 last night. this weather is awful
<3> jottinger: twice? travelling?
<5> wlfshmn: no, insomnia
<3> ah, bummer
<4> Asriel : living the oven that is
<4> LLyric : all on the laptop ?
<2> _kmh_: DVD
<4> ic
<3> "< Server: Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) ApacheJServ/1.1.2 < Servlet-Engine: Tomcat Web Server/3.2.2 (JSP 1.1; Servlet 2.2; Java 1.2.2; Linux 2.4.2-2smp i386; java.vendor=Sun Microsystems Inc.)"
<3> hmm. me thinks they ought to update a tad
<5> heh
<3> then agian, it's a webstore in hong kong, so I guess I shouldn't expect too much
<4> wlfshmn : i'd expect more from hongkong than from around here
<4> but it is a never change a running system approach i guess
<3> _kmh_: that hasn't been my experience with webstores atleast
<4> what hasn't ?
<3> _kmh_: it's not like the system in question runs -well-. it runs, but is sluggish as heck ;)
<4> wlfshmn : ic
<4> wlfshmn : maybe sales are down :)
<3> nah, they are just lazy/cheap/clueless
<4> wlfshmn : you should checkout the site of 24h videos (which is here) i betcha it is worse
<3> You know old webdesign when they still preload images
<4> it runs often so sluggish, that you can't really tell whether it is running at all
<4> preload ?
<4> you mean complete redendering before display ?
<4> wlfshmn : most webstore are clueless about their technology i would ***ume
<3> _kmh_: nah, as in using javascript to load images into memory before they are otherwise referenced in documents to make sure they load spiffily
<4> wlfshmn : they sell stuff not IT expertise
<4> spiffily ?
<3> I think this system is homegrown, or custom-written
<3> _kmh_: "fast" ;)
<3> anyway, it doens't matter much, it's not my system and I can't do anything aobut it even if I wanted to ;)
<4> i'm not sure why you would need to javascript to load images before being referenced
<4> or why that would be faster
<3> _kmh_: it was rather common to do it that way with sites with little graphics with dialup users. they would get an initial loading period when they accessed the site, but very little loading as they moved around it later on
<4> wlfshmn : yes but the overall speed is the same
<3> yes
<4> but i guess you can use the idle
<4> but on the otherhand if the website is complicated yu may need to buffer/preload too much
<3> well, it makes even less sense for a webstore, since you preload images for the site, not the data (ie, images for navigation or logos or menus) and you still ened to fetch product images as you display them, or you would end up prefetching vast amounts of data
<3> gah.. this is bad.. I'm starting to become profficient in xsl/t...
<3> I'll never get my brain disentangled again
<7> wlfshmn: run while you can!
<7> XSLT is scary :)
<4> what's it good for anyway ?
<4> or rather where do you need detailed knowledge ?
<7> It's good for turning XML into something else.
<7> The most common use, I'd say, is for changing XML into HTML.
<7> Like styling an XML document for display.
<7> Detailed knowledge is required if you want to do a lot of XPath stuff, calculations, complex transformations, etc
<8> all of which can be done with SAX :Z
<7> IMO XSLT can be a nightmare if you try to get too complicated with it. However, in most simple situations, it can do some really cool stuff with just a little bit of code.
<3> Resonator: I'm currently spending time -optimizing- my XSL/T document...
<3> Resonator: ie, I no longer can just make it do what I want, I even know enough to get it to do it in a more optimized fashion..
<3> Resonator: i want my mommy..
<9> hello
<8> world
<9> :)
<3> say what?
<9> jboss java application server
<3> are you asking if it's as good as it claims to be?
<9> yep
<3> I haven't used it for deployment, but it's quite good when developing and testing
<9> what services can provide
<9> ?
<3> It's biggest drawback in my oppinion is that it comes with Marc Fleury attached
<9> how is that
<9> i mean he can do proxy http dns firewall may be sql
<9> ?
<9> ldap may be
<3> No real reason, he is just one of the few people who really get on my nerves
<9> sorry
<5> haha
<5> I dislike jboss for all purposes
<5> but I respect the components under the jboss umbrella
<9> why did u say that?
<5> crestinu: because I find it kinda ****s?
<9> hm i see
<3> only part of jboss I use personally (not counting at work) is hibernate
<9> i see
<9> hm
<9> i just wondering what kind of servises can offer it and which is there qos
<7> wlfshmn: I definitely feel your pain :)
<10> anyone familiar with sup appserver 8.2?
<10> i created a MDB, and also an administered object for the MDB to 'bind' to ... i had to give the object a "Physical Name" ... however, in my deploy tool, under "Target Message Destination" i have nothing, as in blank. even the j2ee tutorial says that field should match the physical name of your administered object.
<10> this seems odd to me
<10> and it works
<10> sup = sun
<5> whodis: well, if you're using IMQ, the embedded one will autocreate a physical destination for you
<10> ok
<10> another question:
<10> transactions in ejb's ... they are only valid for business methods defined in a particular bean, or methods defined in other beans? i mean, what if a bean calls out to some 3rd party library ... how can that transaction be propagated if the methods in the 3rd party lib. don't support them?
<8> DTO's?
<10> is a DTO the same as a CMP entity bean?
<10> oops
<10> DAO
<10> is a DAO the same as a CMP entity bean?
<8> http://java.sun.com/blueprints/corej2eepatterns/Patterns/TransferObject.html
<11> Does any one know why the java installation freezes up on me
<8> it runs so cool sometimes that it does that
<12> I think it may be the same reason why his games suddenly stop working.
<11> Does any one know why j2se runtime enviroment freezes up during installation?
<12> tdd1984: same reason why your games sometimes stop working? A little more context would help, for example; the OS you're using would be a small start.
<11> windows xp
<11> I was wondering if there is a different installer I could use, or something that supported java
<12> it seems you still don't get it. Just asking "it doesn't work, why?" isn't a question anyone can seriously answer.
<11> Lion-O: It freezes up
<11> during the install the j2se runtime enviroment halts
<12> you already said that.
<11> when its almost done
<11> then what do you want to know?
<12> more context? Think about this for a moment; first of all we have a jre and jdk. Both have several versions available. Then there's the issue of what "freezing" is suppose to mean, etc, etc, etc.
<11> j2se version 5.0 update 6
<8> net install or have you downloaded the .exe?
<11> Sabre: I tried both.
<12> j2se ? jdk, jre ?
<12> Anyway, I give up. This is impossible to answer.
<11> jre
<8> pretty much
<11> jre-1_5_0_06-windows-i586-p
<12> and its too hot to ask 20 questions to finally get enough needed info
<11> j2se with jre
<11> sorry lion=o
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