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<0> * Topic is 'Latest channel registration info at: http://javafaq.mine.nu/lookup?383 (updated 2007-01-24 19:00 (GMT+1))'
<0> !op teralaser
<0> hm
<0> guess I am not added in HellHound
<1> Aha
<1> Ok I've sent my email addy to Clackwell (he must've misplaced it since last time)... Count me in as another supporter.
<2> X is gay
<1> As long as it doesn't proposition me I'm fine with that... there's a lot of cable between me and it (and I don't mean to boast).
<3> any idea when the channel is actually going to be registered
<3> its not possible for someone to nick in ahead, I hope
<1> Quite possibly... they just need enough supporters to actually be here.
<4> omg we've got a blinker
<5> heh
<6> I have an object that extends DefaultListSelection model with a listener inside, in order to trap seltion changes on a table. Run the app, when I do the first cell select, the getSelectedRow funtion of the table returns -1, on the second select it returns 0.... why is that ?
<6> the code for the extended object is at http://java.pastebin.com/867030
<6> solved with getValueIsAdjusting()
<7> or, solved by studying the api docs :)
<3> wonders will never cease
<8> read....docs?
<9> How can i get distance between for example JLabel's when im using grid layout?
<0> ~gbl
<0> oops
<0> use the insets I believe
<0> http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/uiswing/layout/gridbag.html
<5> hey all
<9> Should i Use the method setLabelFor() when combining JLabel's and JTextField's?
<5> Carve - that pretty much depends on what you want to do, check out the JLabel api - http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/api/javax/swing/JLabel.html#
<10> meh.. my head hurts.. I need to stop trying to explain things to people
<3> I see someone is trying to get access to the bot
<7> ach so. Yeah. you only have 2 x accounts 8)
<7> Deano|Wrk: the exact reason why I was very cautious the other day :)
<11> hello all
<3> indeed Lion-O, I understood
<7> Hmm, this evening I think its time to work some more on my "bean-fu" :)
<3> think I'll just keep the one account in here from now on
<12> someone actually registered those usernames just to get ops ?
<7> Deano|Wrk: hmm :) Or name 'm both UK & Work :)
<12> !geoip 210.17.229.155
<12> ups
<11> I have a jtable inside a dialog , if a user change a value and then clock on the "OK" button, the table doesn't get the new value. only if the user click outside the table ( to loose the scope) then the new value shows up. is there a way to force or signal the table to finish the editing and apply change ?
<12> my bot can ban on country if necessary :P
<13> moin.
<7> m00 ;)
<12> checking my email asap
<13> znabela: cool
<12> is it okay, if i just respond here, or do i need to reply-to-all with a really sick comment like the rest?
<5> hey all
<12> Clackwell ... pre-vote from me has always been "yes" from day one ... get to work!
<13> znabela: nono, it's ok.
<5> hey znabela, Clackwell
<13> hi MbGone
<13> znabela: it's also a test to see if people respond in a timely manner for the vote...:>
<5> how goes it?
<14> hi guys
<5> hi SAnDAnGE
<13> hi SAnDAnGE
<12> Clackwell: usually cservice starts spamming notices in here when that happens, and when it does, ill notice it more often than reading emails
<14> hi MbGone, Clackwell
<13> znabela: ok. but in case of yura for example i am not sure. he's not here right now, and usually isn't here anyway. would be a shame to blow the registration because of lack of feedback.
<14> notices are "spammed" once the channel is in Pending, that would be after all supporters have already /msg X support #java yes
<12> yeap
<5> also, X is monitoring if the supporters are actually here
<13> MbGone: good point for yura and a few others i guess. hm...
<13> hmhmhm....
<14> X counts the times a logged in a supporter joins the channel
<5> hmm yea, dont remember exactly what is monitored , can look in the source i guess
<7> and you're not counted if you logon before joining the channel ;) It also helps for regulars who are always here to /cycle a few times every now and then. This adds up more to traffic and overal traffic.
<13> SAnDAnGE: but they do not expect 100% time coverage, i guess. that would be too unrealistic.
<7> Clackwell: naah. Its an overal impression. Channel traffic, join/part traffic and actual participation of the supporters.
<14> Clackwell actually it doesn't matter how much time you spend on the channel, it matters how many times you join the channel
<13> oh well...i see this thing fail already...;)
<14> Lion-O u're quite wrong :)
<7> Clackwell: nah. I've been involved in registering smaller channels.
<5> SAnDAnGE - i am pretty sure thats not just joins, as someone can stay connected for 10+days
<7> SAnDAnGE: I doubt it.
<14> guys... in the 3 years I've spent as a CService Trainee... I think I learned something ;)
<7> SAnDAnGE: thats nice for you, I got it both from the euworld source as well as someone who operates euworld.
<14> Lion-O 1st: u MUST be logged in, before joining the pending channel, so that X counts ur join
<13> SAnDAnGE: "it's a bureaucracy like not even the european union could think up one"?
<7> SAnDAnGE: what do you think /cycle does?
<5> Lion-O - euworld?
<7> anyway, this is a useless discussion. Lets stick to things which really matter.
<14> "[20:09:51] <@Lion-O> and you're not counted if you logon before joining the channel "
<5> euworld has nothing to do with channel registration
<10> Is there somewhere I can see which modes and paddings are useable with which algorithm in the Sun JCE?
<7> SAnDAnGE: aah. That is wrong indeed. Login /after/ joining.
<7> hence my comment regarding /cycle ;)
<13> "PLEASE BE SURE YOUR SUPPORTERS LOG INTO X BEFORE THEY JOIN THE CHANNEL OTHERWISE THEY WILL NOT BE COUNTED."
<14> "It also helps for regulars who are always here to /cycle a few times every now and then." <- X counts how many times a supporters joins, and UNIQUE joins from others, this means, others don't count if they cycle
<14> also supporter's join is counted once each hour...
<14> anyway... my point is: don't try to much, and don't ignore the channel
<13> hm. so on the bottom line: should we act "unnaturally" and relogin/rejoin, etc. every now and then?
<7> Clackwell: nah. Its just healthy for people who are on 24/7 to /cycle every now and then.
<13> i'd hate to make nonsense like that, just to satisfy some silly rules.
<7> and if we just do what we always do I don't see much problems appearing. Depending on the things already mentioned.
<14> Clackwell let's just say that if you leave ur bnc on or pc open 24/7 it won't help us if u don't cycle the channel
<13> Lion-O: ok. i get at minimum one disconnect per 24 hours anyway.
<13> CYCLE Unknown command
<13> :)
<14> Clackwell what client are u using ?
<13> SAnDAnGE: mirc of course :)
<7> awww ;) Well, guess its a specific irssi feature then. Basicly its a combination of /part and /join.
<14> try /hop
<13> oh lawdee
<14> bad idea
<13> haha
<5> well i just checked the source
<14> joining the channel once/twice a day is more then enough
<13> how long for a registration to actively start? wondering if it makes sense to time it so that it falls on a weekend, with people more likely to be here.
<5> X is monitoring all the joins of supporters, and 50 unique ip's joins of "regular" users
<7> yups. Its not /that/ critical.
<14> Clackwell registration starts as soon as the applicant submits it on web, after that, the supporters have 72 hours to say yes
<14> as soon as all supporters say yes, they have less then 48 hours in which at least 6 of them have to join the channel at least once
<14> as soon as the minimum supporter joins is met, the pending starts for 5 days
<14> for 5 days traffic is monitored and notice spammed for objections.. etc
<14> after the 5 days the channel might be automatically registered if no objection is submitted to the application and the supporters have done enough traffic
<14> if this condition is not met, 1-3 days of Ready for Review period follows in which time, a CService Administrator checks the objections, and their value of true
<14> the CService Admin will decide if to accept/reject the channel application
<14> If the channel is automatically accepted and a supporter has done something bad meanwhile, the channel may get purged again
<14> so... the channel could be registered if all goes ok, in about 7 days
<14> the applicant should be aware that he has to set a valid channel DESCRIPTION in the application he makes
<14> silence...
<5> hmm
<5> evening Deano
<15> lo MbGone
<15> someone needs to put him on the bots
<13> if hh wouldn't clean up the ban list we'd keep the ban in there like that, but oh well.
<7> Clackwell: it shouldn't cycle? no problem.
<7> done.
<13> Lion-O: it doesn't clean the ban list in here now?
<7> Clackwell: *nod*
<13> Lion-O: excellent. :)
<13> makes sense for a large channel to have the bots maintain it, works fine in #germany.
<13> but due to lack of experience or access having the perm bans in the bot makes the whole thing less dynamic.
<13> which is sometimes good, sometimes bad, ig uess.
<16> You had no chance of me saying anything until you messaged btw... I never saw that topic until now so it must not have been on this server ;)
<13> dave-e: what? :)
<16> Well, I guess this process has been going on a while seeing as my name on the site was flashing NO!... haha... but until just the other day when you said something on here I didn't even realise because the channel topic was blank on this server
<13> dave-e: we haven't even gotten to the registration yet and you're starting to make up excuses already...man...;)
<17> yeah yeah
<17> stupid wireless
<0> hahahah
<13> dave-e: we haven't even gotten to the registration yet and you're starting to make up excuses already...man...;) and you keep making them!
<0> hehe
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