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<0> you must be one of them COBOL converts
<1> i prefer system out too
<0> weak
<0> the debugger provides so many things about your code
<2> I ought to use it more
<0> callstack, variable info, etc
<0> never have to do one single system out
<1> callstack is provided by exception.printStackTrace()
<1> variable is provided by system.out.
<2> I started writing code before there were good debuggers though...I tend to have LOTS of commented out System.out.println("DEBUG:: ..."); stuff lying around my code
<2> habit I guess
<0> it's auto-provided by the debugger :)
<2> yeah
<2> habit
<1> i type system.out's faster
<1> than i can click on exactly right icon
<1> :P
<0> obviously :)
<2> wolfey: if you're sane, they're already *there*. You just have to uncomment them :)
<1> if (Main.debug) System.out.println...
<1> :))
<2> if I cared enough, I'd write a Debug.print() type thing so I didn't even have to uncomment
<2> yah, something like that
<0> i mean it doesn't surprise me..the majority of programmers don't use them
<2> sabre: the majority of programmers can't be wrong :)
<0> i guess that's why i fix more code than anyone on my team :)
<2> hmm
<0> tadow!
<2> forget I said that
<2> the majority of Americans (well, about 22%) elected George Shrub. The majority *can* be wrong :)
<1> majority of users use Microsoft...
<1> :)
<2> well, that's not so much a case of being wrong as it is a case of having different needs
<2> but let's not get embroiled in an OS holy war
<1> well we are java fans, we transcend that
<1> :)
<0> Centos.
<2> centos is okay I guess
<2> it suffers from not being Debian
<0> pffffffffffft
<0> :D
<2> pretty much everything suffers from not being Debian
<1> gentoo doesnt
<1> :)
<0> gentoo especially does
<2> gentoo has MANY problems
<2> one of which is, it't not Debian
<0> i would like debian if i didn't see so many hardware issues with it
<2> gentoo is a great system if ou happen to enjoy spending half your time compiling stuff for a percieved (and only *occasionally* actual) 2% performance increase. All my systems are idle 90% of the tiume anyway, I don't care how fast they do it
<2> can't say I've noticed many hardware issues
<1> smsie: well multimedia and games, it's more than 2%
<2> maybe I just have hardware that's mainly compatible or something
<0> if you have old hardware sure..no prob
<1> well athlon xp 1800+ works like athlon 3000 with xp
<1> that's why i hate XP it's damn slow
<2> wolfey: is it worth spending 3 days to lovingly compile a system? If you want decent performance hike, you have to individually tweak everything
<2> and O3 is NOT better than O2 (for most things)
<3> seriously.. Its a bit hard to have hardware issues if all distributions are basicly using the same kernel.
<1> why?
<1> -march athlon-xp -O2 -pipe
<2> wolfey: why is )3 not better?
<2> )3
<2> grr
<1> i know 3 is experimental
<2> no it isn't
<1> and binary doesnt necessarily work
<3> not many distributions actively contribute to hardware support (with regards to kernel modules).
<1> :P
<1> i tried -O3
<2> I suggest you find out what O3 does
<0> but if that distro does not ship with the proper hardware drivers then it won't compile in Lion-O
<1> puts arguments in registers?
<1> inline functions?
<3> sabre: so get them elsewhere. shouldn't be an issue.
<0> on installation it sux
<2> wolfey: and a bit more
<2> -O3 Optimize yet more. -O3 turns on all optimizations specified by -O2 and also turns on the -finline-functions, -funswitch-loops and
<2> -fgcse-after-reload options.
<2> wolfey: -O3 (for most stuff) is significantly slower than -O2
<2> my point is that there are *very* few people who actually understand what they are compiling well enough to know how to make it perform best
<1> smsie: have u tried -ffast-math ?
<1> i dont use 4.0 gcc
<0> and then what about upgrading it wolfey ?
<1> sabre: what about offering me a job?
<1> :)
<0> i mean the software you run?
<1> i have up-to-date gentoo?!
<0> you going to recompile all of that?
<2> wolfey: -ffast-math is a BAD idea to use usually
<1> sabre: i do it daily
<1> all that is fresh i recompile
<2> wolfey: -ffast-math potentially means wrong-math
<1> okey
<0> and there is no sense in having to do that
<1> well dunno
<2> wolfey: and you think that recompiling your system daily is a good thing?
<1> i enjoy watching it
<1> ./configure scripts are lovely
<1> :)
<2> I get a 2% performance increase...for this my system works its *** off for 4 hours a day recompiling stuff...
<2> still, if it's what you like doing, good for you
<0> you enjoy it because it's a learning tool for you which is good for you but not for sys admins who don't want to screw with that
<1> i can watch movies or anything while it compiles
<1> so what's the big deal
<2> I just don't think it's worth my time
<1> only thing about 100% CPU @ compile is that programs take more time to load
<1> once they are loaded, no problem
<1> movies work without a slighest problem
<1> divx
<1> but most of all
<1> i like to watch computers work hard while im being lazy
<0> you're running that on a wireless laptop right?
<1> like slave owners enjoyed it...
<2> so run dnetc, or seti :)
<1> nope. desktop. but i have wireless router too... and no laptop
<1> :)
<2> I like to have computers do work for me...not do work for the sake of it
<0> :)
<1> smsie: okey perhaps it is more like nazy camp guards, prisoners didnt do anything meaningful (moving rocks) but guards enjoyed it nonetheles
<1> nazi
<1> better?
<2> so gentoo users are nazis? :)
<2> cool
<0> gentoo was a fad for about 2 seconds
<2> I think it's perhaps a *little* strong...
<1> dunno i feel comfortable with gentoo
<1> while i dont like apt-get
<1> :)
<0> when you get tired of playing then you want to go with fedora, centos or debian
<2> if it works for you, great
<2> I won't be using it much though :)
<1> sabre: used fedora before
<1> used debian too
<1> i hated both
<0> why did you hate fedora?
<2> rpm?
<0> well don't install with rpm
<1> rpm, mess with config's.. dunno it has a weird way of doing things
<0> that's what yum is for
<1> i know yum
<2> mainly RHalikes suffer from overengineering IMO. It tries to configure evcerything automatically, and it will overwrite any changes I make to the config without asking me
<0> well it's a matter of using the right tool..yes
<2> but the major reason I dislike RH/fedora/CentOS is they aren't Debian
<0> haha
<2> if they were Debian, I'd like them just fine
<0> so you're saying you like Debian?
<2> but if YOU like them, then good for you. I hope you enjoy them
<2> me? well, maybe a little :)
<2> I use XP as a desktop (mainly) and Debian as a server/to do actual work
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