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<0> Someone speak spanish ?
<1> hoal?
<1> hello?
<2> how to make a scroller for layers in dhtml
<2> ?
<3> wrong channel ktabet_
<3> try javascript or web
<4> see topic, try
<4> what he said
<3> = 00:14:19 -!- No topic set for #java
<5> hi
<4> hi
<5> calchas remember me ?
<5> I have a question
<5> I've been spending a lot of time with struts today :(....with struts-logic tld
<4> ok
<4> I don't use struts
<5> which one you use?
<5> why not?
<4> maybe find a place for struts, it's really a java application
<4> which what?
<5> framework for Dev Webs Apps
<4> I don't use web apps
<4> too slow, too fragile, too expensive
<5> struts is free
<5> and tomcat too
<4> that isn't the cost
<4> support = cost
<5> it's true....theres a another cost
<4> capital expendature = cost
<5> i've always been developing desktop Apps
<5> but now, i'm developing web app
<5> it's kind of tedious
<4> why
<5> learning new Techs and more money
<4> ok
<4> I'm not at that level at all
<4> I solve problems not just implement solutions
<5> ok
<5> you are in college
<4> the low level skills I use (like java etc are of no issue)
<4> I certainly am not
<5> ohhh
<5> where are you from calchas ?
<4> uk, Ireland, US
<5> do you work as analyt ?
<5> analyst ?
<4> no
<5> ok
<4> I'm senior tech with a large manufacturing corp
<5> nice
<4> semiconductor industry
<5> I'm starting now...i'm 23
<5> I'm very Microsoft centric...but in my new job I;m not using nothing from MS
<4> nothing = anything
<4> what O/S ?
<5> Win XP and Solaris
<4> what is the client O/S for the web app
<4> ROFL
<4> isn't XP an MS product ?
<5> what does ROFL means ?
<4> roll on floor laughing
<5> yes...I refer to programming languages
<3> javac: If web apps are tedious, then you're not writing them optimally, or not using optimal tools.
<3> The ratio of tedium:actual thought should be as low as possible.
<5> I'm readapting to that process
<5> i come from only MS tools, and adapting to struts, weblogic, jsp 'scrpt lets' and more a more
<4> which MS tools?
<5> so...It's a time I'll need...
<5> I use VB.NET C# SQL Server
<5> but i come from Borland C/C++/Pascal
<4> SQL, C, C++, and Pascal are not MS languages
<5> i learned OOP with C++
<4> you should separate out tools and languages etc
<5> SQL Server is often referes to MS SQL SERVER
<4> it will tidy your thought
<4> maybe study some simple taxonomy
<4> after all this is a science
<5> I wrote Borland C/C++/Pascal as a Borland tool..not MS
<5> ans MS SQL Server is a product from MS....or SQL Server
<4> sql is not an MS language, SQL Server is an MS dbms
<5> if i told SQL i would refer to structured query language
<4> you included it as a language reference
<4> anyway drop it
<4> I have to go
<5> the general name for depicting querying DB language
<4> and don't have time to educate the unwilling
<5> i misunderstood everything
<5> English is not my native language,,,that's the Prob.
<5> corrkery
<5> crookery..tedius in the way for debbuging
<3> What is your native language?
<5> a lot of log files and consoles.....a least what i've seen using struts with all descriptors
<5> i have almost 1 motnh using j2ee
<5> my first language were borland pascal/c/c++
<5> my native language is Spanish
<5> i'm from Dominican Republic
<3> vale. espanol es mi idioma segunda. solo hablo un poco mas que un poco ahora.
<5> nitido!
<5> i could help you to learn more spanish
<5> but you must help me to learn more english... are you agree ?
<3> Hehe.
<5> I need to improve my listening comprension!!! :S
<3> That's not going to happen on IRC.
<5> I need to improve my listening understanding!!! :S
<3> I haven't found a Spanish-speaking IRC channel worth using - they are either too general for me or about a tech that I don't use all the time, e.g., Debian.
<5> not..but we could keep contact using messenger
<3> javac: "comprehension" was the right word.
<5> yes!!!!!!...thanxs!
<3> Is it comprensin in Spanish?
<5> comprensin
<5> you are correct
<3> Do you know of a reasonable Spanish-speaking IRC channel?
<5> that's an "aguda word"
<5> no man
<3> #learn-spanish on Freenode is the closest, but it's quiet.
<3> What's aguda?
<5> hey
<5> an "aguda word" or "palabra aguda" -- is that word who gets an accent in his last vowel, only if it finish in n,s or vowel
<5> and are not hiato or a composition of strong vowels like a-e-o
<3> Ah.
<5> hey
<3> I didn't know there was a word for that, but I knew how to say it. ;)
<5> we could learn a lot from us
<5> we could keep contact...
<5> i could send you most used phrases in spanish
<5> and you...do the same for me...but enhglsh phrases
<5> ok?
<5> i'm a software engineer, too
<3> javac: I think you'd find it useful to read English wikipedia. I find it useful to read Spanish.
<3> I read about lots of wars and the discovery of Australia in Spanish. Great fun.
<5> ohh
<5> i read a lot Enlgish books
<5> a lot
<5> specially tech books
<3> I have some Spanish fiction - I don't think there are many tech books that would be written better in Spanish than English.
<3> Maybe some are better in German, don't know.
<5> there are some very goods
<3> s/goods/good ones/
<5> but i prefer the one which has been written in english
<5> because of the terminologies are not translatable
<3> Translating software terms to other languages often doesn't work apparently.
<5> you are correct
<5> i have to go
<5> so..it's a pity we can't share about it
<5> good by
<5> good bye
<6> is there a way to cvs import a directory from the cmd line w/o running the import command from the intended directory ?
<3> #cvs?
<7> sup Vorpal-
<6> hey man!
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