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<0> you show how objects come to life
<0> how they communicate
<0> that's good for non-trivial programs
<1> oh definately, I agree
<0> it can show how use case is going to be implemented
<0> so anyway, im lazy, i go back to my fantasy book ;)
<0> enjoy there
<2> wolfey : dream on :-P
<1> for interactions between objects they are essential. I like cl***diagrams too, especially for showing aggregation etc..
<0> :))
<1> I'm just still scarred by boring lectures. Maybe in a while I@ll be able to use them without wanting to kill myself
<1> lol
<0> so i summon you a nasty trojan horse
<1> enjoy :-)
<0> feel my wrath upon you
<0> slaves
<0> :))
<1> lol, very good
<1> go, get back to your sequence diagrams
<0> and btw
<0> if you wanna do UML get a decent program
<0> i liked MagicDraw a lot
<1> are you in uni?
<0> Rational Rose for example is plain dumb
<2> tiggger : essential is a bit overdone, they are useful but by no means essential
<0> yes tiggger
<1> thanks. I use dia, but it's not that robust
<1> what year/course?
<0> tiggger: http://www.feri.uni-mb.si
<0> well i was lazy at last i finished second year
<0> going to third in october
<1> hehe very good
<1> good luck!
<2> what's wrong wih rational rose btw ?
<0> kmh: it never draws what you want it too
<0> MagicDraw is so much more logical and so much less buggy
<2> after all it's the uml master's program
<0> perhaps im just not willing to study their tomes for some hidden knowledge
<0> if i wanna draw, i wanna draw simple without studying too much
<0> MagicDraw works like that
<1> it's magic, right?
<0> yes!
<0> when i program, i program out of instinct what pattern should be there
<2> yeah rational rose might be more complicated (judging from the book) i haven't used the software much (and only years back)
<1> i can tell you've just done a course on OOP with uml
<0> a year ago.
<0> well i knew programming before
<0> i was though forced to draw it.
<0> at first i hated it a lot
<0> after a month i learned to appreciate it too
<2> hehe i still do somehow
<0> as i said sequence diagrams i like most
<2> i like it more for documentation rather than the actual development
<0> kmh: heh it was weird, they wanted us to teach top-down design ****
<0> like im gonna draw whole my program i dont even know how will owrk
<0> so i focused on "prototyping" instead
<0> and just did fancy drawing later, to catch the essence of prototype
<0> i spent more time to draw than to write the actual code though
<2> well for cl*** diagrams you do it roughly anyway (without uml even), but for the other diagrams probably less
<0> i somehow missed the point though
<0> i should draw, do a few windows and done with it
<0> instead i did fairly serious program and lousy drawing
<2> and doing the actual code through diagrams is pain imho and contraproductive
<2> as it provides rather less overview/understanding than more
<0> sure. well diagrams are meant to catch spirit not to implement the ****
<2> exactly
<0> for example i'd use sequence to teach new programmer how our software works.
<0> how an actual task is done
<0> at least main objects involved
<0> anyway bbl
<0> enjoy;)
<0> hello Clackwell
<3> Hello folks
<0> hello noob
<3> I'm trying to use log4j, i have my property file all set and ready to roll
<3> my issue is that i have put the file along with the log4j jar in a certain directory that i have added to my cl*** path
<3> but even with that set I can't seem to log
<3> im using Looger.getLogger(blablabla) ....
<3> question ...
<3> if i put the log4j jar and the propert file in the same place
<3> and add that place to my cl***path
<3> should that be enough?
<0> i have 0 experience with log4j... if you dont specify where the file output should be, it is probably in the directory you call program from
<0> from my experience with writing files
<0> that's about all i can say:)
<3> actually im not talking about the output file
<0> then what?
<3> but about the file that's used to configure log4j
<0> well it should be in documentation?
<3> i believe any additional jar that needs to be loaded by java should be added to the cl***path
<0> could as well be a variable you p*** to VM
<0> sure about jar
<0> but not sure if that's all to configuration files
<3> ok
<3> cause i looked around on the net for info
<3> and im doing what should be done
<3> ok ill keep trying thnx for the info
<3> :)
<0> well im not of
<0> much help here
<0> :)
<0> i could go to details let's say about Swing or Java2D:))
<0> this is just not my topic
<0> any logging i do myself.
<4> noob_____: How do you launch the jar?
<4> ..or rather, how do you launch your program?
<3> im running it through eclipse
<3> its just a plain java app that does routine work
<3> no java 2D or Swing that i can bug wolfey with :)
<0> hehe
<0> too bad
<0> ;)
<3> yeah I know :)
<3> but i plan on getting to that in a verynear future :D
<3> so .. like one Dude said ...
<3> I'll be back
<3> (ok not funny leaving .... )
<4> And when you try to run it outside Eclipse, how do you do that?
<2> eclipse - yuck
<3> well didn't try that
<3> i was playing with xcode earlier
<3> but im soo used to eclipse that i went back
<3> can i print out all of the jars that are currently loaded by any chance?
<0> kmh: i knew you had taste
<5> I hope for death.
<6> anyone around?
<4> No. I asked earlier.
<6> heh... maybe you can help :P
<4> Ask the rest of your question.
<6> when using Map
<6> well... I want to "map" a set of objects to a integers... to sort of have a code for each of them, so I can work with the codes to each of them and then fetch the objects whenever I have need of them..
<6> but I want these codes to be sequential
<6> ie.: 1, 2, 3, 4... etc...
<4> You don't need them to be sequential in the map, probably.
<6> the thing is I want to use the codes as reference in a matrix
<6> each code being a row
<6> so I *need* them to be sequential..
<6> and I want to be able to ask "have I mapped this object"
<4> if (map.values().contains(thisObject))
<6> yeah..
<6> so that basically answers my question
<6> the Keys should be integers
<6> and the Values should be the objects
<6> thank you :)
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