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<0> can i make a user interface under windows with java ?
<1> Yes... Look at the swing documentation.
<2> hello
<1> SHM1L - The really big index is your friend. http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/reallybigindex.html
<2> can anybody help me please? I have a jsf problem!
<1> Sorry I don't do jsf.
<1> There might be ***istance on the freenode ##java.
<0> thanks Talden
<2> :( I don't see anybody on ##java
<2> I dont understand...
<3> francky : you need to get on another network called freenode
<3> not undernet
<0> when i see import <blabla> how can i see what commands are supported by the imported libary ?
<2> thanks
<3> SHM1L using netbeans or some other IDE ?
<3> throw the javadoc in there too with the library additions.
<0> teralaser should i download the docs seperatly ?
<0> netbeans is better than jcreator ?
<3> oh my.
<3> figure it out :P
<0> well, i am asking your opinion ;) ?
<3> Opinion ?
<3> Well, I voted for Kerry.
<3> So. There you go :)
<0> i got the latest jdk, but i can't find the docs directory. where do i get it ?
<4> se5 or se6 jdk? ;) anyway, the api documentaiton is a seperate download
<0> se6
<1> Definitely separate (and not small)... They really should offer it in a better format than just .zip
<0> can someone give me a link, i can't find it on java's web
<4> java.sun.com
<4> its extremely easy to find...
<0> well, i feel dumb but i am there for the past 10 minutes ;)
<4> Talden: hmm.. I don't fully agree.. zip is such a well known format that basicly every platform can handle it.
<4> SHM1L: amazing. click se and then find your download?
<1> Lion-O - provide zip by all means... but providing a more compact format isn't hard as well.
<4> Talden: aah, gotcha. ***umed you meant a replacement ;) yeah, I can agree with that
<0> Java SE Tutorial (The Basics updated to release 6) <=== is that what i need ?
<0> 32mb
<4> SHM1L: its helpfull but thats not the api documentation
<1> http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp - scroll down to documentation and click download... something like 50 or 60 mb.
<0> thank you talden
<0> talden i am on the api documentation page, but i can only view it online :(
<0> can't see any lead to download
<4> SHM1L: nonsense
<4> SHM1L: he just gave you a direct link for crying out loud
<4> and even if you did end up on the online jdk docs it would still list a BIG link at top saying "download this"
<0> ok, i found the problem
<5> how to speedup idea compilation ?
<0> my mozilla can't see this page properly
<5> its so slow..
<0> with ie i can see it
<5> maybe there are options to disable extra work ?
<1> algo - not really no... of course it's an issue that doesn't affect the customer so it's not too serious.
<5> Talden: I'm a developer, but..
<5> Talden: it uses disk a lot..
<5> maybe it removes exploded and recreates it fully ?
<5> looks like it recompiles every cl*** around
<5> maybe tune filesystem for it..
<4> IDE's are usually more resource heavy than, say, commandline usage.
<5> lots of time is spent compiling
<5> that affects both time to get things done and my mood =(
<5> I'm under Linux
<1> it would need to verify a cl*** doesn't need recompilation... that's a lot of small file accesses - obviously deletion and recreation's going to take a while too for missing or out-ofdate files.
<4> well, worst case you can always contact idea support I suppose.
<6> any idea how to test Batch-processing systems?
<1> We use ant for the actual builds anyway. That's not a fast solution either.
<5> hmm
<0> does java is powerful as C++ ?
<7> SHM1L: In general, yes, but keep in mind that you should have more than one tool in your toolbox. Not every tool is right for every job
<0> wlfshmn , so how do you know which tools is the best for a giving task ?
<4> if you know your tools you'll also know what to use for which task.
<0> Lion-O, if a customer comes to me and says i need fast read/write disk access i should answer him.. no problem i'll make with with ASM or java is good enough for that matters :) ?
<4> that made no sense what so ever to me.
<0> i just gave an example of a demand...
<7> SHM1L: I would say that in most conditions java is sufficient. If you for example are doing something close to the hardware, or something that requires hard realtime, then maybe you should look elsewhere
<0> is java fast ?
<7> SHM1L: Yes.
<1> javas io packages aren't bad but some aspects of their design limit functionality. The largest part of this is due to javas lowest-common-denominator approach to cross-platform support.
<0> talden, do you see that improove in the future ?
<1> One of the highest ranking RFE's is for io improvement (most specifically a true asyncronous io package rather than the polled/multiplexed io 'async' package they have now.
<1> As the java team has changed over the years some of the original mantras have disappeared. While it's still write once, test everywhere, more limiting guidelines such as focusing on simplicity of language grammar have been relaxed.
<1> I definitely think change is something to be expected in javas future.
<4> or, as some critici would put it; Sun is listening more to the demand to "dumb down" the language. There is definatly change brewing; just look at the "adoption" of javascript in SE6.
<1> Anyone decided which of the two closure syntax camps they're in? CICE or BGGA?
<4> hehe, I haven't even given it any thought :)
<1> I'm leaning towards BGGA - if the complexity is going to be added anyway, try and get it complete at the outset. CICE is less concise and doesn't allow for some of the obscure cases that would be hard to add to CICE later.
<1> With any luck the decisions will be made promptly and the promise of shorter release cycles for java will be shown to be attainable - if not, the heavy debate over which closure syntax (which one it seems rather than if we need closures) could stall java development severely.
<4> hmm... I'm not too sure that I'd welcome short release cycles. Solely looking at that from an end-user point of view I'd be happy with enough time between them while making sure that updates (security/bugfixes) to appear at regular intervals.
<1> Of course we don't 'early-adopt' so I don't see myself using them in anger any time soon even if the 1.7 release occurred next week... Actually I'm yet to see a compelling reason not to skip 1.6 altogether if the release rates improve.
<4> bingo
<1> Increasing the release rate doesn't mean you can't skip releases - it means you get features sooner in smaller bundles which on average means those features that are important to you are arriving sooner.
<1> and hopefully getting market exposure sooner too... want those nasty gremlins poking spanners in other peoples works thank-you very much.
<4> true. But isn't it possible that the amount of odd quirks will also increase? When looking at SE6 I'm not too thrilled. It has some very interesting features but in the overal (now I'm only focussing on commandline tools, not the language itself) it has some odd quirks here and there. Probably fixed in the first update. Still; wouldn't that likely increase?
<1> Not necessarily - I haven't seen evidence that bundling up functionality into big releases has meant better testing. On the otherhand, I wouldn't want to see testing release testing reduce either (and overall that means a higher ratio of testing to development).
<4> Talden: that is true.
<4> the only thing I hope for with regards to the open sourcing of the components is that they will still be very carefull with what goes in and what doesn't.
<1> Agreed. My single largest concern.
<4> Well, for now I'm calling the Java coding quits for the evening. I really need to read up more on UML deployment diagrams since those still elude me but I'm no longer in the mood :)
<1> Fair enough... gnite
<4> ooh, I'm not gone yet ;)
<4> When it comes to open sourcing I suspect Sun to be carefull. You basicly see the same thing on Solaris.. They carefully split between their stable & unstable branches, the latter being open sourced. The stable basicly gets the "good parts" from the unstable.
<4> ofcourse I can't really compare this with Java since 1) I'm not familiar with the exact development process and 2) I don't see them branching Java like that (but do keep 1) in mind here).
<0> i am reading for quiet a time now.. i can't understand the difrences between public and static
<4> thats not comparible.
<0> what do you mean ?
<0> when do i use public and when do i use static ?
<5> SHM1L
<5> which languages you know ?
<4> public is used with regards to access control whereas static basicly declares how the object is instantiated (or not actually). How the heck do you think you can compare these?
<4> SHM1L: you really should consider reading the java tutorial.
<0> i have read 408 pages of java for dummies, but as i've already told you i am not a native english speaker and there are lack of tutorials in my language so if it is not too hard , i'll be glad if you could try to explain me the basic of both here please.
<4> SHM1L: in English which you said you didn't understand? :P I don't think so.
<0> i didnt say i dont understand, but what ever
<0> i said it is hard for me to understand technical stuff as you might understand it, things that are obvious to you when you read aren't for me
<0> but whatever
<4> I'm not a native English speaker either and have a little problem with believing that if you can understand communication in here you cannot understand the Sun Java tutorial.
<4> especially since it doesn't focus on the technical parts.
<0> do you play some instrument maybe.. like guitar piano or so ?
<4> you want this: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/java/javaOO/accesscontrol.html
<4> and I think this: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/java/javaOO/objectcreation.html
<4> whoops.. the last one is good enough but I meant this one: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/java/javaOO/cl***vars.html
<4> the first deals with public/private, the latter with the static issue.
<0> ok, i'll them, thanks
<4> if there are details eluding you I'm sure most of us will be happy to try and extend the examples. But for me just "explain me everything" doesn't work.
<8> i created an application which uses 2 JFrames. when i click a button in one of the application i want only that frame to close... how can i do this?
<8> i know i have to create a listened for that button
<8> *listener
<1> change the visible property of the frame?
<5> dispose one ? =)
<8> no not set the visibility,,, get rid of it altogether
<9> dispose()
<8> alright ill try it our.. thatnks
<1> Just remember that the memory used for the forms themselves usually isn't much but the setup time can make the app UI act slow. If you are likely to redisplay the form later consider hiding it rather than disposing of it.
<8> thanks... no im not using it later
<10> heh @ http://www.systemnetmail.com/faq/5.1.aspx
<10> I wonder if that's really added by the API, or whether it's a 'feature' of his MTA
<8> i get the error: "Could not find main cl***. Program will exit" when i try to run a newly created jar file.. some details about the files used at http://rafb.net/p/wwcz9j59.html
<8> what would the problem be?
<11> RPGE: sounds like you've not got a Main-cl*** set in the jar manifest, or the wrong cl*** name mentioned
<5> hi
<5> this query hangs: getSession().createQuery("from BlogEntry as p where p.id is null").list();
<5> what may be wrong ?
<5> I'm using Hibernate + HSQLDB
<5> how to make condition on a field called "id" in hibernate ?
<8> i get the error: "Could not find main cl***. Program will exit" when i try to run a newly created jar file.. some details about the files used at http://rafb.net/p/wwcz9j59.html
<8> what would the problem be?
<7> RPGE: You aren't properly specifying your main cl*** in the jarfiles manifest.
<12> morning
<5> How to build jar of my app in IDEA ?
<5> I have lots of global shared libraries in it
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